Am I a deist?

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An atheist is someone who claims there is no God,this claim can't be proven,a deist God is as useless as no God.

I agree that belief in God is not a default position but agnostic would be a better term.

No, that is the theist strawman of what an atheist is. An atheist does not need to assert tjat god does not exist, but only needs to disbelieve the assertion that god does exist.

And you're conflating knowing and believing. They are not the same thing. One does not have to know a thing not to be true to disbelieve the claim that it is true.

I'm not a theist,I'm an agnostic.

I am an agnostic because I can't be an atheist because I can't fully disprove God's existence,and I'm not a deist because why believe in a pointless God,I would call myself agnostic.

Theists capitalize on some valid arguments about atheism for there own self serving purposes,that's why if you use the term agnostic they have less wiggle room to argue against you.

Clarification: its the strawman used by theists trying to shift the burden of proof.

Well, because deism still has implications incompatible with atheism.


And once again: "do you believe X" and "do you know X" are not the same question.

Belief and knowledge are inherently connected,why believe in something that you have no knowledge of,belief implies some level of knowledge,so disbelief would also imply some level of knowledge.

I fully understand the technical differences between atheism and deism but pragmatically,if a God has no pragmatic communication with any other beings,he is not really a God,he is just a "being" somewhere in the universe that is smarter than human beings.If said God has no value as a God,then he might as well not exist at all.

Are you trying to redefine G^D, faith, religion, or just the dictionary definition of "deism"?  It's futile, in any case.

It seems a common trait of mainstream Christian religions to teach that even the slightest deviation from their doctrines is either blasphemy, apostasy, or atheism ... which may account for the thousands of different Christian denominations, each one claiming to be the "One True Way".

I am not trying to alter definitions of anything,or putting atheists down or promoting theism.

Just pointing out that a deist God which does not communicate with other beings,is pragmatically useless and might as well not exist.These are pragmatics not theory.

But, to a Deist, God existed at one time and created the Earth. Then, He withdrew.

Crediting a Supreme Being with creating the Universe is a significant departure from atheism. Or even agnosticism.

It’s true that God is irrelevant to a Deist’s present situation...but at least God was relevant at some point in the past.

And thus Cthulu took over.

So the deist God created the God particle which led to the big bang,which led to the planet Earth.Then Bacteria in the oceans evolved into apes who evolved in humans,but the deist God got the ball rolling.

That's a good theory, I can accept that.

 

Does this make me an atheist?

No,and nor was anything bad said about atheists anyway.

I hate religion.

Does this make me an atheist?

Of coarse not,and was anything bad ever said of atheists.I never or anyone else did ever say anything bad about atheists at any time.

Very few people like religion,most religious people consider there beliefs the truth,and not religion.

As one Rabbi said; Judaism is not religion,it's an inheritance of a holy covenant.