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16 Aug 2020, 2:27 pm

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Too much time has passed to do it for the American Blacks because its now been more than six generations, and two typical human lifetimes since Lincoln freed the slaves. Interestingly enough right at the time (during the early post Civil War years) there was a movement to have elderly former slaves be paid a "retirement pension". Makes sense to me. And it would pumped money into the Southern economy and helped both Blacks and Whites in the defeated south, and it wastnt that far removed this modern "reparations for slavery" idea. The notion gained some political traction before it finnally died out. Its too late to do it now.


During the Reconstruction period after the Civil War, many black communities began to thrive. They have been sabotaged ever since. There could be reparations for things like refusing credit to black neighbourhoods (red-lining,) underfunded schools, and many other current abuses.
However, I'm not happy with all the agitation about the impact of pollution on "black and latin" neighbourhoods. The problem is about poor areas, regardless of skin colour.



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16 Aug 2020, 2:52 pm

“There could be reparations for things like refusing credit to black neighbourhoods (red-lining,)”

Already done dude... wake up

The us govt mandated that money be lent to all kinds of bad credit risk individuals because of the crys of “red lining”.

The result was that lots of people bought McMansions that couldn’t really afford them. The real estate market grew, then collapsed into a repo fest.

That was the first domino that led to the great recession that we just emerged from under.

And a common result of this type of do-gooder medling... much more harm and ruin. Everything the do-gooder touches...

And do-gooders are usually donating other peoples money to “make things better”



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16 Aug 2020, 3:27 pm

groundhogy wrote:
“There could be reparations for things like refusing credit to black neighbourhoods (red-lining,)”

Already done dude... wake up

The us govt mandated that money be lent to all kinds of bad credit risk individuals because of the crys of “red lining”.

The result was that lots of people bought McMansions that couldn’t really afford them. The real estate market grew, then collapsed into a repo fest.

That was the first domino that led to the great recession that we just emerged from under.

And a common result of this type of do-gooder medling... much more harm and ruin. Everything the do-gooder touches...

And do-gooders are usually donating other peoples money to “make things better”


If that was caused by reparations I'm sure you can provide evidence of that. :wink:


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16 Aug 2020, 11:43 pm

^^ Those were not reparations, as in grants. Those were loans that the banks knew would go bad, but not until they had re-sold them at a profit. The poor folks were just screwed over again, losing any equity that they had built up.

Canada is now paying compensation to some native people who were forced into residential schools in the 1960s. The lawyers are getting a big cut, but there is some recognition of guilt at last.



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17 Aug 2020, 12:00 am

your last sentence...sigh... leeches.


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17 Aug 2020, 12:15 am

Dear_one wrote:
^^ Those were not reparations, as in grants. Those were loans that the banks knew would go bad, but not until they had re-sold them at a profit. The poor folks were just screwed over again, losing any equity that they had built up.


I'm familiar with the situation, I wanted groundhogy to try to defend his dishonest framing. There's other questionable comments too, but I'm tired of always being the person to point this stuff out.

The suggestion that the colonial states owe Britain for being stolen from, for starters.


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17 Aug 2020, 12:31 am

funeralxempire wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
^^ Those were not reparations, as in grants. Those were loans that the banks knew would go bad, but not until they had re-sold them at a profit. The poor folks were just screwed over again, losing any equity that they had built up.


I'm familiar with the situation, I wanted groundhogy to try to defend his dishonest framing. There's other questionable comments too, but I'm tired of always being the person to point this stuff out.

The suggestion that the colonial states owe Britain for being stolen from, for starters.


i think people who aren't you just ignore the intentional abrasiveness....


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17 Aug 2020, 12:43 am

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funeralxempire wrote:
Dear_one wrote:
^^ Those were not reparations, as in grants. Those were loans that the banks knew would go bad, but not until they had re-sold them at a profit. The poor folks were just screwed over again, losing any equity that they had built up.


I'm familiar with the situation, I wanted groundhogy to try to defend his dishonest framing. There's other questionable comments too, but I'm tired of always being the person to point this stuff out.

The suggestion that the colonial states owe Britain for being stolen from, for starters.


i think people who aren't you just ignore the intentional abrasiveness....


You're probably right, but doesn't ignoring it amount to condoning it because they just end up doing it more?


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17 Aug 2020, 12:47 am

bait to start a side argument --from someone who is probably bored? i've seen my dad do such things in fact, on cricket forums and giggling to himself, when he can't sleep :roll:


or genuinely proposing an alternative reactionary (in same vein of logic but flipped) "aspie" type of point (debate)? cannot tell.


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17 Aug 2020, 12:48 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
bait to start a side argument --from someone who is probably bored? i've seen my dad do such things in fact, on cricket forums and giggling to himself, when he can't sleep :roll:


or genuinely proposing an alternative reactionary (in same vein of logic but flipped) "aspie" type of point (debate)? cannot tell.


I don't believe I'd be able to tell the difference much of the time. :oops:


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17 Aug 2020, 12:59 am

scholars know how to see things from all angles and scenarios to analyze. how fulfilling :roll:
but you need a master's degree to do that and be flame-proof :nerdy:
that kinda education isn't free.
so pay up.


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17 Aug 2020, 2:44 am

Dear_one wrote:
^^ Those were not reparations, as in grants. Those were loans that the banks knew would go bad, but not until they had re-sold them at a profit. The poor folks were just screwed over again, losing any equity that they had built up.
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Yes. Thats my understanding of it. It wasnt idealist "do gooders". It was profit seeking "do well for myselfers" at the banks themselves who realized that they could make more profit on bad loans than on good loans who who caused the crises.

Kinda like Gene Wilder in the "the Producers/Spring Time For Hitler" movie/play who figured out that he make more money on Broadway with a flop, than with a hit.



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17 Aug 2020, 12:16 pm

Just after Normandy compensates Britain maybe



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17 Aug 2020, 3:08 pm

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Just after Normandy compensates Britain maybe


Exactly.

That little Battle of Hastings thing in 1066!

American political pundit Roy Blount Jr. explained in a column that his name is of "Norman" origin. And that most of the modern British aristocracy is still of Norman descent. So "we Normans are the oppressors of the Anglo Saxons, who in turn oppressed the world. So we are the oppressors of the oppressors." :lol:

So the Brits are just gonna hafta to tell... the Kenyans,the Irish, the Nigerians, Asian Indians, American Indians, Americans, Aussies, Egyptians, Israelies, AND Palestinians, and Pakistanies, etc etc etc...that "you will get your check in the mail. Just as soon as those dang Normans pay US!". :D



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17 Aug 2020, 3:17 pm

I feel like Israel should be forced to compensate the Palestinians. But it ain't gonna ever happen because Israel is on the side of the nations who rule the world.


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17 Aug 2020, 11:53 pm

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I feel like Israel should be forced to compensate the Palestinians. But it ain't gonna ever happen because Israel is on the side of the nations who rule the world.


Well...maybe Germany can empty out an Israel-sized piece of land in its country, and give it to the Palestinians.All Palestinian Arabs could relocate to this new available land and found "New Palestine" in the heart of Europe, and could therefore renounce all claim to land in the original Palestine. That way both Israelies and Palestinians would have a homeland. The only loser would Germany. And Germany would "deserve" it because it would be indirect compensation to Israel for the Holocaust.