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27 Aug 2020, 11:54 am

Wolfram87 wrote:
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When was that?

November 2nd 1920 by Phoebe Jordan


Can't seem to find a mention of her.

https://www.thoughtco.com/first-woman-t ... ts-3530476
By the way it's for a national election,which I should have mentioned.Local elections may have had other firsts.

google New Ashford,Massachusetts or run it through wikipedia,the wikipedia for New Ashford has all the info


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27 Aug 2020, 12:06 pm

I still remember that Canadian Heritage moment where that guy says "Nice women *don't* want to vote."

I don't want to vote, but I'm really "not nice". :evil:



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27 Aug 2020, 12:19 pm

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Just down road from where I live there is the tiny village of New Ashford (population about 350) was where the first ever legal vote was cast by a woman.

I must remember when I come onto wrong planet that the rest of the world no longer exists. I always forget and have to relearn it from scratch.



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27 Aug 2020, 12:21 pm

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I still remember that Canadian Heritage moment where that guy says "Nice women *don't* want to vote." ...


https://manitobamuseum.ca/main/nice-wom ... ovember-5/

https://www.historymuseum.ca/blog/canad ... -the-vote/



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27 Aug 2020, 12:29 pm

fluffysaurus wrote:
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Just down road from where I live there is the tiny village of New Ashford (population about 350) was where the first ever legal vote was cast by a woman.

I must remember when I come onto wrong planet that the rest of the world no longer exists. I always forget and have to relearn it from scratch.

What was meant was first national election in America.

It's local history to my area,so that's in significance to me I guess

The actual balot box used is still in use today.


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27 Aug 2020, 1:15 pm

Despite being so conservative, Wyoming allowed women to vote back in the 1880s, although it was more of a publicity stunt than a genuine move to equality. That's why Wyoming is called the Equality State.

https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia ... right-vote


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27 Aug 2020, 3:17 pm

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Despite being so conservative, Wyoming allowed women to vote back in the 1880s, although it was more of a publicity stunt than a genuine move to equality. That's why Wyoming is called the Equality State.

https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia ... right-vote
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... what was on Bright’s mind and on the other legislators’ minds can be gleaned from newspaper articles and from people’s memories reported years later.

First, lawmakers wanted to get Wyoming some good publicity, so that more settlers would come to the territory. ... The lawmakers especially hoped the news would bring more women...

Second, these Democrats in the legislature hoped that once these women came to Wyoming, they would continue to vote for the party that had given them the vote in the first place...

Third, the Democrats in the Legislature wanted to make John Campbell, the Republican governor, look bad. If they passed the bill, many assumed, Campbell would veto it.
So it was not an act of altruism, nor even an act of righteousness; instead, it was a faithless gesture driven mainly by the lack of marriage-eligible women in the Wyoming territory.

:roll: "Welcome to Wyoming!  Here's your new husband.  I now pronounce you man and wife."



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27 Aug 2020, 4:59 pm

The only good arguments against women having the vote are arguments against anyone having a vote.



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27 Aug 2020, 6:12 pm

envirozentinel wrote:
Despite being so conservative, Wyoming allowed women to vote back in the 1880s, although it was more of a publicity stunt than a genuine move to equality. That's why Wyoming is called the Equality State.

https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia ... right-vote


Prolly for the same reasons that Arizona and New Mexico allowed women to vote in 1912.

These were the remnants of the western frontier. And were still territories and not full fledged states. The constitution stipulated that a territory has to have a population of X number of voters ( I think 50 thousand) to be granted statehood. Thats population of voters, not population of people. So these last far west territories, being desperate to become states, realized that if they simply allowed women to vote they would instantly double their population of voters . So thats what did...just to get into the express line to statehood. Once achieving statehood they might well have rescinded it a few years later, except in the case of New Mexico and Arizona it was only a few years before the Feds granted nationwide women's sufferage in circa 1920 anyway. So they couldnt turn back.



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28 Aug 2020, 8:23 am

lostonearth35 wrote:
I still remember that Canadian Heritage moment where that guy says "Nice women *don't* want to vote."

I don't want to vote, but I'm really "not nice". :evil:


Hmm to be a nice woman with no right to vote or a b***h with a right to vote?

...

I'd choose being a b***h any day.



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28 Aug 2020, 1:44 pm

If my late maternal grandfather had way, all women would be kept in the kitchen, uneducated and pregnant.

He also believed the only reason a woman went to college was to get laid.

(After all, he was the town drunk, and extremely abusive toward my mother.)



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28 Aug 2020, 3:05 pm

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If my late maternal grandfather had way, all women would be kept in the kitchen, uneducated and pregnant.  He also believed the only reason a woman went to college was to get laid.  (After all, he was the town drunk, and extremely abusive toward my mother.)
Most of my male relatives (and some of the female ones, as well) expressed the belief that the only reason women went to college was to find a well-educated boyfriend and earn an MRS degree.

Most of the rest thought that women went to college to learn how to be lesbians.

:roll: I had some weird relatives, back in the 1960s Michigan.



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28 Aug 2020, 3:58 pm

Fireblossom wrote:
lostonearth35 wrote:
I still remember that Canadian Heritage moment where that guy says "Nice women *don't* want to vote."

I don't want to vote, but I'm really "not nice". :evil:


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Was that "nice" as opposed to "bitchy"?

Or was that the Victorian equivalent of "good girls" vs "bad girls" (if ya know what I mean?)?



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29 Aug 2020, 3:57 am

^ The former.



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29 Aug 2020, 6:40 pm

The main line denominations (Lutheran, specifically ELCA, Anglican, Presbyterian, Methodist, UCC, Moravian), have had women clerics for at least the last 40 years. Note that these denominations also happen to be liberal in theology, since they also support same-sex marriage, and allow the ordination of gay and lesbian clergy, in direct opposition to Biblical tenets. Any wonder these denominations are losing members and are closing churches? I left an ELCA congregation 5 years ago because the senior pastor, who is a woman, began usurping the infallibility of Biblical doctrine. I went to the Lutheran Church—Missouri Synod, and I’m seeing that denomination starting to go down that slippery slope in some congregations. Pretty soon, traditional Lutheranism will cease to exist within LC-MS.



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29 Aug 2020, 6:50 pm

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I thought this was funny-sad, so I also thought to share it with you...

The most ridiculous historical arguments denying women the right to vote.

• Eve ate the apple which made women unequal to men and, sorry, voting will not change that.

• Pregnant women could get too excited when they vote, and that will turn their babies into ugly idiots.

• Voting will lead women away from love and children and toward loneliness and anxiety.

• Voting will not help women cook and clean, so what is the point?

• Women are sweet, weak, and gentle and voting will make them hard and harsh like men.

• Women can get whatever they want anyway.

• Women could cancel out their husbands' votes.

• Women don't actually want to vote; they just think it would be fun to try.

• Women will abandon their husbands, cruelly leaving them alone with their own children to vote.

• Women will vote to punish the men who have done nothing but give them everything they want.


It has been only 100 years since women's right to vote was legally recognized, yet it seems amazing that some people (men, mostly) actually believed any of these arguments were valid.  The article gives more details, of course.



Last time I checked, no one is preventing you from cooking and cleaning yourself.



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