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04 Sep 2020, 12:47 am

No need for police to resort to violent tactics unless their lives are threatened and that is certainly not the case in the Floyd case and most others.


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04 Sep 2020, 12:50 am

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Extrajudicial killing is not something you should be normalizing.

The people who stir the "racial pot" appear to be trying to normalize ...

1. committing crimes is OK
2. not following police orders is OK
3. endangering police or the welfare of others is OK
4. lack of respect for law enforcement is OK


Police are committing crimes.


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04 Sep 2020, 12:53 am

[quietly lurking this thread to see who else feels that police ought to be held accountable to the same laws that the rest of us are]


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04 Sep 2020, 12:56 am

I'm getting rather suspicious about the possibility of Trump cult influence being not only entirely pervasive online, but also funded by this violent extremist administration.


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04 Sep 2020, 1:04 am

envirozentinel wrote:
No need for police to resort to violent tactics unless their lives are threatened and that is certainly not the case in the Floyd case and most others.

1. Floyd allegedly committed an initial crime of fraud.
2. Floyd is on video resisting arrest and acting as if he is under the influence of drugs.
3. Floyd had recently taken illegal substances of fentanyl and meth.
4. The officers laid Floyd out on the ground because he was acting erratic likely because of the drugs in his system.
5. The officer put his knee on Floyd's neck as he was suppose to do, as shown in the Minneapolis police training manual.

6. The latest news is Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/loc ... cd4ead3d04

So, the officer looks not guilty.


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04 Sep 2020, 1:06 am

The cause of death was strangulation. Should Trump be killed for his fraudulent practices too?


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04 Sep 2020, 1:06 am

cberg wrote:
I'm getting rather suspicious about the possibility of Trump cult influence being not only entirely pervasive online, but also funded by this violent extremist administration.

They did it in the beginning, why not now? They're not running much of any television ads, where else is that campaign money going...? https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump ... ouncement/


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04 Sep 2020, 1:08 am

How does one avoid getting banned for inciting racist violence? Apparently she plays it off like a good ole bullet point list of rationalizations.

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04 Sep 2020, 1:09 am

TheRobotLives wrote:
envirozentinel wrote:
No need for police to resort to violent tactics unless their lives are threatened and that is certainly not the case in the Floyd case and most others.

1. Floyd allegedly committed an initial crime of fraud.
2. Floyd is on video resisting arrest and acting as if he is under the influence of drugs.
3. Floyd had recently taken illegal substances of fentanyl and meth.
4. The officers laid Floyd out on the ground because he was acting erratic likely because of the drugs in his system.
5. The officer put his knee on Floyd's neck as he was suppose to do, as shown in the Minneapolis police training manual.

6. The latest news is Floyd had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system.
https://www.kare11.com/article/news/loc ... cd4ead3d04

So, the officer looks not guilty.


:lol: Definitely someone who feels that police should be able to get away with murder. Good to know....


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04 Sep 2020, 1:16 am

I still don't think their lives were endangered despite the erratic drug-fuelled behaviour of one suspect.

i don't think placing one's knee on someone's neck can ever be right even if it is in a training manual - potentially very dangerous and I don't think its something which police in my country would be expected to do. The neck is a very vulnerable spot all round.


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04 Sep 2020, 1:18 am

This individual's authoritarian leanings are very telling. Calloused in the extreme...


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04 Sep 2020, 1:33 am

cberg wrote:
The cause of death was strangulation. Should Trump be killed for his fraudulent practices too?

None is saying he died from strangulation.

Most likely his problems were because, according to the local medical examiner he took a lethal dose of fentanyl.

The local medical examiner he stated that if he found Floyd at home in the same state, he would of determined his death to be fentanyl overdose.

The police officers were implementing the "Maximal Restraint Technique" as they were taught to do.

As can be read in the image, this technique is meant to help the person breath easier.
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04 Sep 2020, 1:36 am

envirozentinel wrote:
I still don't think their lives were endangered despite the erratic drug-fuelled behaviour of one suspect.

i don't think placing one's knee on someone's neck can ever be right even if it is in a training manual - potentially very dangerous and I don't think its something which police in my country would be expected to do. The neck is a very vulnerable spot all round.

The police officers were implementing the "Maximal Restraint Technique" as they were taught to do.

As can be read in the image, this technique is meant to help a person breath easier.

You can see in the image, the officer has his knee on the person's neck.
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04 Sep 2020, 1:39 am

In a democracy, innocent until proven guilty should always apply. I'm afraid our own police service also has "bad apples" who abuse their power and the murder of suspects in minor crimes has happened here too, but it is never justifiable. The way some defenceless individuals who broke lockdown laws were treated, was reminiscent of the heavy handed tactics and atrocities of the apartheid era.

^That "training technique" is just wrong... a police guide book and a medical procedure guide book are unlikely to look the same.


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04 Sep 2020, 1:45 am

envirozentinel wrote:
In a democracy, innocent until proven guilty should always apply. I'm afraid our own police service also has "bad apples" who abuse their power and the murder of suspects in minor crimes has happened here too, but it is never justifiable. The way some defenceless individuals who broke lockdown laws were treated, was reminiscent of the heavy handed tactics and atrocities of the apartheid era.

^That "training technique" is just wrong... a police guide book and a medical procedure guide book are unlikely to look the same.

Mr. Floyd was a big man and pumped full of fentanyl.

How should they arrest him when he's resisting arrest?


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04 Sep 2020, 1:55 am

east is east, west is west, and never the twain shall meet. authoritarians of the right and everybody else who just wants to be left alone and for the right-wing authoritarian harassment to stop, will never get along. i am so sick of this country and of the armies of clueless hypocritical marie antoinettes who only know how to say "obey the(ir) police" and "love it or leave it!"