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15 Oct 2020, 8:32 am

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Someone who worries about what other people think, and who lives according to other people's "standards" has already "lost the game".

When I stopped worrying (and I mean worrying) about what other people think of me is when I started rally experiencing success.  So what if they whine and complain that I took advantage of the situation to elevate myself above the norm?  Who the ████ cares?  While they were busy partying and socializing and carrying on about superficial matters, I was busy earning my degrees and learning how to succeed.

It sucks to be them now, and that's just the way it is!

So, you set your own goals, too ;)


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15 Oct 2020, 8:32 am

I don't like to lose.

I was a serious temper-tantrum thrower if I ever lost anything as a child.

But I learned, truly, that it's more "in how you played the game" than the fact of beating someone else.

I am one who believes competition, fair and virtuous competition, is good for the soul. A poor winner, though, is much worse than a sore loser.

I once won third place in a bowling tournament. I wanted to tear the trophy limb from limb. That's how competitive I was when I was 12. I felt like third place really sucked!



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15 Oct 2020, 8:34 am

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... A lot of people train for marathons with a goal of finishing it at all or finishing it with a better time than previous year's. Are they losers for achieving their own goals?
Sure ... if merely showing up at the starting line is the goal of everyone who enters a marathon, then they are all winners, and each deserves a trophy for their participation.

But if coming in first at the finish line earns someone $1000 and free running shoes, why not go all the way?


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15 Oct 2020, 8:36 am

I'm proud of myself for finishing the marathon in under 4 hours-----but I don't believe I deserved a trophy for it. All I deserved is to be treated with respect, just like I treat everyone else with respect.

Trophies are for people who perform in a superior manner.....that's it!



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15 Oct 2020, 8:39 am

That kind of "trophy" should be rather interpreted as a souvenir, I think.


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15 Oct 2020, 8:40 am

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Fnord wrote:
Someone who worries about what other people think, and who lives according to other people's "standards" has already "lost the game".

When I stopped worrying (and I mean worrying) about what other people think of me is when I started rally experiencing success.  So what if they whine and complain that I took advantage of the situation to elevate myself above the norm?  Who the ████ cares?  While they were busy partying and socializing and carrying on about superficial matters, I was busy earning my degrees and learning how to succeed.

It sucks to be them now, and that's just the way it is!
So, you set your own goals, too.
There is a huge difference between setting a goal like, "show up for class" and setting a goal like, "turn in all of your homework on time and without errors, and ace every quiz, test, and exam."  People who make the former choice end up working for people who make the latter choice.

If you are going to set your own goals, make them meet or exceed the accepted standards of success, or accept the fact that you will always be a loser.

Harsh, but true.


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15 Oct 2020, 8:43 am

I had a 3.8 GPA in college. I wish I would have done better. I really could have done better----but I was just sort of lazy.

That's my mindset.

Still, not being a "winner" doesn't mean you're a "loser."



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15 Oct 2020, 8:55 am

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... not being a "winner" doesn't mean you're a "loser."
Really?  Ever seen the movie Glengarry Glen Ross?  Let's talk about something important...

(WARNING: Profanity.)



"We're adding a little something to this month's sales contest.  First prize is a Cadillac El Dorado.  Second prize is a set of steak knives.  Third prize is you're fired." -- Alec Baldwin as Blake in Glengarry Glen Ross (1992)

THAT is the difference between winners and losers: a set of steak knives that you can buy at any Dollar Store.


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15 Oct 2020, 9:02 am

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Fnord wrote:
Someone who worries about what other people think, and who lives according to other people's "standards" has already "lost the game".

When I stopped worrying (and I mean worrying) about what other people think of me is when I started rally experiencing success.  So what if they whine and complain that I took advantage of the situation to elevate myself above the norm?  Who the ████ cares?  While they were busy partying and socializing and carrying on about superficial matters, I was busy earning my degrees and learning how to succeed.

It sucks to be them now, and that's just the way it is!
So, you set your own goals, too.
There is a huge difference between setting a goal like, "show up for class" and setting a goal like, "turn in all of your homework on time and without errors, and ace every quiz, test, and exam."  People who make the former choice end up working for people who make the latter choice.

If you are going to set your own goals, make them meet or exceed the accepted standards of success, or accept the fact that you will always be a loser.

Harsh, but true.

If you're healthy and fit, you can set your goal as finishing a marathon.
If you're a professional runner, you can set your goal as winning a marathon.
If you're living with some serious health condition, walking 5 km can be a goal requiring just as much determination.

Of course, walking 5 km is not a challenge for a healthy person, just as showing up on a lecture should not be any challenge for a student worth the lecturer's time. But you're not a loser if you just pass instead of aceing every now and then.

Most of life is not about being the best but about being good enough. You don't need to marry Miss World, just the lady you like. You don't need to be the richest person on the world, just a person not in financial trouble. You don't need to live in the best mansion in the world, just a regular home. You don't need to be the most popular person in the world, just have some friends.
Acing in your specialization is certainly a good choice but you're not a loser if somewhere in the world there is someone who does it even better.


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15 Oct 2020, 9:04 am

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You don't need to be the most popular person in the world, just have some friends.
Do I? :(



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15 Oct 2020, 9:06 am

I prefer decent steak knives myself. I don't like the feeling of cutting myself with a lousy steak knife.

I might go to a dollar store to get a drink mix----but I certainly wouldn't go to one to get a fine wine...



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15 Oct 2020, 9:09 am

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I had a 3.8 GPA in college. I wish I would have done better. I really could have done better----but I was just sort of lazy.

That's my mindset.

Still, not being a "winner" doesn't mean you're a "loser."


I would agree...Only a conceited person would see anyone who didn't "win" as being a "loser", and that is the type of person who is best shunned, rather than interacted with.

I consider knowing I did my best to be all the reward I need. I know my limits and am happy to push them, but I am also self-aware enough to know I will never be "the best". This won't let me stop pushing myself to at least be "the best" that I can be, though.



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15 Oct 2020, 9:12 am

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... you're not a loser if you just pass instead of aceing every now and then.

Most of life is not about being the best but about being good enough...
Over and over again, mediocrity gets promoted only because greatness cannot be found; but when greatness suddenly arrives, the mediocre shudder in fear of being revealed as suddenly "not good enough" because the standards of greatness have just been raised.

Be careful that the standards you have set for yourself never get raised above you by someone else.

Better yet, work on becoming the standard by which other people are measured and found wanting.


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15 Oct 2020, 9:14 am

Fnord lives in a world full of losers. I don't like Fnords world.



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15 Oct 2020, 9:15 am

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I would agree...Only a conceited person would see anyone who didn't "win" as being a "loser", and that is the type of person who is best shunned, rather than interacted with...
Personally, I prefer the term "also ran" instead of "loser" -- there is less of a bite to it, and the people being so referred to don't seem to mind as much.

"X won the race.  Y and Z also ran, but X is the winner!"


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15 Oct 2020, 9:19 am

Flies are buzzing round my head
Vultures circling the dead
Picking up every last crumb
The big fish eat the little ones
Not my problem, give me some

You can try the best you can
The best you can is good enough

Dinosaurs roaming the Earth

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