Which candidate is Racist?
Before the 1970s, southern Democrats were racist. They were the ones who wanted to maintain segregation. This has nothing to do with present-day Democrats.
The Republicans were seen as the “liberal” party until about 1920 or so. They were the “party of Lincoln,” who freed the slaves. Until about 1968, it was anathema to be a Republican in the South.
I’m not a right-winger. I want Trump out of there. My wife is black.
There are Democrats who do have a condescending attitude towards “minorities” while advocating social programs for them. I’ve known a few of them. It was incorrect of me to say that they deliberately want to keep “minorities” down.
There is a sense that some Democrats (and Republicans) don’t believe that “minorities” could arise from the quagmire that is racism.
I sense that Biden is more a professional politician than a racist—but he’s better than Trump, so he’ll have to do.
I just think Biden has a slightly less chance than Trump of igniting WWIII.
I'd prefer Bernie and a truly Leftist party, but I have to work with what I'm given.
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Not well know apparently but thE South was considered democratic during the US civil war. Just saying .
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DURING the Civil War the South considered itself to be a separate country so you cant even compare.
We all know that the White population of the South adhered to the Democrat party from Reconstruction all the way up until the Seventies. Actually all of the up until the 1994 off year election when essentially all Dixiecrats (both voters and pols) defected en masse to the GOP.
We all know that the worst enemy of the Black Civil Rights movement was the Democrat Party (White Dixiecrats like Strom Thurmond and Wallace), and that the best ally against that enemy was...the Democrat Party (LBJ etc).
And we all know it was the Dixiecrats who defected to the GOP who became the Trumpists.
It does not appear that way...
Unfortunately, the media has "trained" people too well to believe what they say, rather than to think for themselves.
Where in the past the media was (relatively) impartial, allowing people of one "leaning" to share the same information as those with a different "lean", facilitating an understanding of each other, we now have highly partisan media who, while providing information which fits the "desire" of their audience (and hiding that which doesn't), also presents those who do not share the same "lean" as the media company\audience in as negative a light as possible, hinding\preventing each side finding common ground, or understanding each other.
Taken to extremes, you end up with things like the recent "Lady Gaga" election video, where she appears as a caricature of a "conservative" person, to try and influence them to vote for Mr Biden, simply because that is how "conservative" people are portrayed in media which has no interest in reaching out\appealing to them.
It does not appear that way...
Unfortunately, the media has "trained" people too well to believe what they say, rather than to think for themselves.
Where in the past the media was (relatively) impartial, allowing people of one "leaning" to share the same information as those with a different "lean", facilitating an understanding of each other, we now have highly partisan media who, while providing information which fits the "desire" of their audience (and hiding that which doesn't), also presents those who do not share the same "lean" as the media company\audience in as negative a light as possible, hinding\preventing each side finding common ground, or understanding each other.
Taken to extremes, you end up with things like the recent "Lady Gaga" election video, where she appears as a caricature of a "conservative" person, to try and influence them to vote for Mr Biden, simply because that is how "conservative" people are portrayed in media which has no interest in reaching out\appealing to them.
You posted a video which was an edited collection of Trump saying “I condemn the KKK” and “hatred is bad”, and then a compilation of clips of Joe Biden which, to a very large extent, didn’t even have any racism, or are deprived of context. For example, the Kamala Harris clip is edited to remove Harris saying “I don’t think you’re racist”, and there’s no exploration of Biden’s reasons for opposing bussing (namely that black voters told him they didn’t want their kids going to school a long way away).
There was no examination of the racist things Donald Trump has said. For example, the video did not cover telling the Squad to “go back to where they came from”, for example, or telling the Proud Boys to “stand by”, or accusing Jews of bribing politicians, or Tweeting a picture of Hillary Clinton with a Star of David, or constantly calling a Senator with Native descent “Pocahontas”, or... well, you get the point. The video uncritically accepted Trump’s condemnation of racism while ignoring all the things he has said and done that are racist. It uncritically accepted Trump’s claim that some neo-Confederates are “very fine people” despite a lack of evidence.
Neither was there a list of all the times Joe Biden has spoken out against racism. Admittedly that would make the video far longer. But it’s a pretty clear example of media bias.
So don’t go complaining about media bias while posting a video that would never be accepted by an editor at a major media company because of an off-the-scale level of bias.
Why is it always the people who have the biggest personal bias who complain about everyone else in the world being biased? Why is it always the people with no media literacy complaining about how bad the media is? Because yes, the media has biases, but most people who work for media companies are highly literate, and as a result most media companies have institutional checks on bias like editorial teams and reaching out to both sides for comment as well as the threat of litigation. No, some random racist on YouTube is not less biased than the New York Times.
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Both the GOP and the DNC are colourist as heck. Both Drumph and Biden are colourist. Should be like Australia with 6 parties or something, and have left-libertarians and right-libertarians better chance to actually be involved with the government ie: limiting its size. Too many authoritarians and statists in power imo.
Okay...so I learned from the video that the guy who said Africa is a bunch of "s**thole countries", and said that Mexicans are rapists did indeed disavow the KKK when they buttonholed him about it. But the guy who was veep to a Black POTUS for eight years did ...what that was racist? Nothing?
It does not appear that way...
Unfortunately, the media has "trained" people too well to believe what they say, rather than to think for themselves.
Where in the past the media was (relatively) impartial, allowing people of one "leaning" to share the same information as those with a different "lean", facilitating an understanding of each other, we now have highly partisan media who, while providing information which fits the "desire" of their audience (and hiding that which doesn't), also presents those who do not share the same "lean" as the media company\audience in as negative a light as possible, hinding\preventing each side finding common ground, or understanding each other.
Taken to extremes, you end up with things like the recent "Lady Gaga" election video, where she appears as a caricature of a "conservative" person, to try and influence them to vote for Mr Biden, simply because that is how "conservative" people are portrayed in media which has no interest in reaching out\appealing to them.
You posted a video which was an edited collection of Trump saying “I condemn the KKK” and “hatred is bad”, and then a compilation of clips of Joe Biden which, to a very large extent, didn’t even have any racism, or are deprived of context. For example, the Kamala Harris clip is edited to remove Harris saying “I don’t think you’re racist”, and there’s no exploration of Biden’s reasons for opposing bussing (namely that black voters told him they didn’t want their kids going to school a long way away).
There was no examination of the racist things Donald Trump has said. For example, the video did not cover telling the Squad to “go back to where they came from”, for example, or telling the Proud Boys to “stand by”, or accusing Jews of bribing politicians, or Tweeting a picture of Hillary Clinton with a Star of David, or constantly calling a Senator with Native descent “Pocahontas”, or... well, you get the point. The video uncritically accepted Trump’s condemnation of racism while ignoring all the things he has said and done that are racist. It uncritically accepted Trump’s claim that some neo-Confederates are “very fine people” despite a lack of evidence.
Neither was there a list of all the times Joe Biden has spoken out against racism. Admittedly that would make the video far longer. But it’s a pretty clear example of media bias.
So don’t go complaining about media bias while posting a video that would never be accepted by an editor at a major media company because of an off-the-scale level of bias.
Why is it always the people who have the biggest personal bias who complain about everyone else in the world being biased? Why is it always the people with no media literacy complaining about how bad the media is? Because yes, the media has biases, but most people who work for media companies are highly literate, and as a result most media companies have institutional checks on bias like editorial teams and reaching out to both sides for comment as well as the threat of litigation. No, some random racist on YouTube is not less biased than the New York Times.
Consider the reason the video was produced: Most media organisations report that "Trump refuses to condemn the KKK\white supremacists", and make no mention of Joe Biden's past comments\acts. Then, when something such as this is posted, instead of looking at it and considering that maybe the media doesn't give an unbiased reporting of events and wondering why\what else they have nort been told\misinformed, instead the reponce is to "shoot the messenger".
The aim of the video wasn't to portay Mr Trump as a "saint", nor Mr Biden as the "devil"...But to demonstrate how what is shown in the media isn't the full story, and can sometimes contradict the facts (consider how often the "very fine people" story has been referred to in the media, when going back to February even factcheck.org had shown it to be false).
As to the snide "Why is it always the people who have the biggest personal bias who complain about everyone else in the world being biased?" question...It is interesting that you assume a bias on my part (and the magnitude of this), simply for presenting facts that differ from\contradict those you (and those of a majority of the more "vocal" members of the site) appear to be "comfortable with"\wish to see presented... My personal approach is to try and inform people, so had the site been more "right leaning", then I'd have been doing exactly the same from the other side.
And to avoid further potential attacks, such as yours, on me: I don't care what side people are on in a discusion, or what their beliefs may be: I simply want to ensure that, whatever they decide, they are able to make a decision with full (or as much as possible), rather than "filtered"\limited\false information...If I find a topic perks my interest and look into it, finding information that counters that which is put forward by the "majority", then I'll contribute (with sources) what I have found...I don't care if it changes anyone's mind or not, just that it informs them and so their decision is based on facts, not assumptions or emotions.
As a side note, you may have noticed that I post source material with what I post, to allow people to evaluate the material and bias of the source, rather than "editorialising" it, so as to try and keep any potential bias on my part out of what I present. I also like to look at the issues I post on from both sides, preferring to refrain from posting where I have been unable to come up with a reasonable\plausible "defence"\"explanation" for each side, and generally posting from the less "popular" side, as that is the one which is lacking in supportive facts being presented.
You're not suppose to ask questions, you're suppose to passively accept ...
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It does not appear that way...
Unfortunately, the media has "trained" people too well to believe what they say, rather than to think for themselves.
Where in the past the media was (relatively) impartial, allowing people of one "leaning" to share the same information as those with a different "lean", facilitating an understanding of each other, we now have highly partisan media who, while providing information which fits the "desire" of their audience (and hiding that which doesn't), also presents those who do not share the same "lean" as the media company\audience in as negative a light as possible, hinding\preventing each side finding common ground, or understanding each other.
Taken to extremes, you end up with things like the recent "Lady Gaga" election video, where she appears as a caricature of a "conservative" person, to try and influence them to vote for Mr Biden, simply because that is how "conservative" people are portrayed in media which has no interest in reaching out\appealing to them.
You posted a video which was an edited collection of Trump saying “I condemn the KKK” and “hatred is bad”, and then a compilation of clips of Joe Biden which, to a very large extent, didn’t even have any racism, or are deprived of context. For example, the Kamala Harris clip is edited to remove Harris saying “I don’t think you’re racist”, and there’s no exploration of Biden’s reasons for opposing bussing (namely that black voters told him they didn’t want their kids going to school a long way away).
There was no examination of the racist things Donald Trump has said. For example, the video did not cover telling the Squad to “go back to where they came from”, for example, or telling the Proud Boys to “stand by”, or accusing Jews of bribing politicians, or Tweeting a picture of Hillary Clinton with a Star of David, or constantly calling a Senator with Native descent “Pocahontas”, or... well, you get the point. The video uncritically accepted Trump’s condemnation of racism while ignoring all the things he has said and done that are racist. It uncritically accepted Trump’s claim that some neo-Confederates are “very fine people” despite a lack of evidence.
Neither was there a list of all the times Joe Biden has spoken out against racism. Admittedly that would make the video far longer. But it’s a pretty clear example of media bias.
So don’t go complaining about media bias while posting a video that would never be accepted by an editor at a major media company because of an off-the-scale level of bias.
Why is it always the people who have the biggest personal bias who complain about everyone else in the world being biased? Why is it always the people with no media literacy complaining about how bad the media is? Because yes, the media has biases, but most people who work for media companies are highly literate, and as a result most media companies have institutional checks on bias like editorial teams and reaching out to both sides for comment as well as the threat of litigation. No, some random racist on YouTube is not less biased than the New York Times.
Consider the reason the video was produced: Most media organisations report that "Trump refuses to condemn the KKK\white supremacists", and make no mention of Joe Biden's past comments\acts. Then, when something such as this is posted, instead of looking at it and considering that maybe the media doesn't give an unbiased reporting of events and wondering why\what else they have nort been told\misinformed, instead the reponce is to "shoot the messenger".
The aim of the video wasn't to portay Mr Trump as a "saint", nor Mr Biden as the "devil"...But to demonstrate how what is shown in the media isn't the full story, and can sometimes contradict the facts (consider how often the "very fine people" story has been referred to in the media, when going back to February even factcheck.org had shown it to be false).
As to the snide "Why is it always the people who have the biggest personal bias who complain about everyone else in the world being biased?" question...It is interesting that you assume a bias on my part (and the magnitude of this), simply for presenting facts that differ from\contradict those you (and those of a majority of the more "vocal" members of the site) appear to be "comfortable with"\wish to see presented... My personal approach is to try and inform people, so had the site been more "right leaning", then I'd have been doing exactly the same from the other side.
And to avoid further potential attacks, such as yours, on me: I don't care what side people are on in a discusion, or what their beliefs may be: I simply want to ensure that, whatever they decide, they are able to make a decision with full (or as much as possible), rather than "filtered"\limited\false information...If I find a topic perks my interest and look into it, finding information that counters that which is put forward by the "majority", then I'll contribute (with sources) what I have found...I don't care if it changes anyone's mind or not, just that it informs them and so their decision is based on facts, not assumptions or emotions.
As a side note, you may have noticed that I post source material with what I post, to allow people to evaluate the material and bias of the source, rather than "editorialising" it, so as to try and keep any potential bias on my part out of what I present. I also like to look at the issues I post on from both sides, preferring to refrain from posting where I have been unable to come up with a reasonable\plausible "defence"\"explanation" for each side, and generally posting from the less "popular" side, as that is the one which is lacking in supportive facts being presented.
I have now twice tried to give you a long and detailed response but both times the site has eaten it.
So a bullet point response:
- Varied information is one thing. Good information is another. Always prioritise reliable sources, preferably a variety of them. Two stupid viewpoints doesn’t help anyone. The gold standard is the BBC, Reuters, and Associated Press, but there is no shortage of sources of high-quality balanced or right-leaning news.
- Other people can think for themselves. Don’t accuse them of not being able to when they don’t think the same way as you.
- People with a wide variety of views can practice critical thinking and media literacy. Some of the most robust thinkers on this site are right-wing.
- Bias is an inevitable fact of human life. If you (general) think you’re above it, you’re probably just ignoring it.
- The video makes several unevidenced claims. For example, no evidence is presented to show that the media is not reporting on Trump’s denunciations of extremism. Nor is any evidence presented that the media is not covering Biden’s gaffes - I found mainstream coverage of several of the examples from a quick internet search, with the exception being the old illegal immigrant story which is understandably drowned out by more recent ones.
- Given that the presenter claims to be a comedian, and he dedicates an extended section of the video to accusing journalists of having a sexual fetish for criticism of the KKK and zero to evidence for media bias, I think it is fair to say the video was produced primarily for entertainment purposes, and not as a serious expose of media bias. That’s fine, but it does add to the question of using it as an argument, and it certainly doesn’t justify accusing everyone who disagrees with its conclusions of uncritically swallowing whatever the media tells them to think, given that they’ve just demonstrated that they won’t accept what one-eyed YouTube videos tell them to think.
Trump and some of his minions bring racism to a whole new level, though.
Trump isn’t even aware that he’s racist.
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Trump received the Bipartisan Justice Award at a historically black college for his criminal justice reform accomplishments. Out of all of the beneficiaries of Trump’s First Step Act, 91% of the total inmates released have been Black Americans! Unfortunately you don’t see this headline on liberal media outlets as much as we should.
He permanently increased federal funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities. In last couple years, funding increased by more than $100 million, a 17% increase, more than any President in history.
He increased funding for school choice by $42 million and has called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so no child is trapped in an under-performing school because of the school district they live in.
He created Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities.
In 2018 and 2019 African-Americans and Hispanics were enjoying their lowest unemployment rate, and highest median income in their history, largely due to President Trump’s policies.
President Trump supports funding for police, as 81% of Blacks want an increased police presence, despite leftist media’s misleading reporting.
The bipartisan FIRST STEP Act that Trump championed was, in large part, an effort to alleviate the mass black incarceration created by the 1994 omnibus crime bill that Biden has “no regrets” about writing.
And what does Biden promise black voters, apart from unwarranted fearmongering about a “white supremacist” threat? He’s just offering the same policies that have failed the black community for decades: high immigration, high taxes, and fake-compassionate, dead-end handouts that offer no way out.
He permanently increased federal funding for Historically Black Colleges and Universities. In last couple years, funding increased by more than $100 million, a 17% increase, more than any President in history.
He increased funding for school choice by $42 million and has called on Congress to pass school choice legislation so no child is trapped in an under-performing school because of the school district they live in.
He created Opportunity Zone Incentives to promote investment in low-income communities.
In 2018 and 2019 African-Americans and Hispanics were enjoying their lowest unemployment rate, and highest median income in their history, largely due to President Trump’s policies.
President Trump supports funding for police, as 81% of Blacks want an increased police presence, despite leftist media’s misleading reporting.
The bipartisan FIRST STEP Act that Trump championed was, in large part, an effort to alleviate the mass black incarceration created by the 1994 omnibus crime bill that Biden has “no regrets” about writing.
And what does Biden promise black voters, apart from unwarranted fearmongering about a “white supremacist” threat? He’s just offering the same policies that have failed the black community for decades: high immigration, high taxes, and fake-compassionate, dead-end handouts that offer no way out.
This post does cast. Big meanie Trump in a different light than the media portrays him.
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