Trump's not accepting election result said to be payback

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20 Nov 2020, 1:39 am

Years of costly hearings are the obvious consequence of electing this guy anyway. I fail to see how anyone wouldn't see that.

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20 Nov 2020, 1:43 am

The Muller probe cost $32 million USD according to CNBC.

Not sure how much all the house and senate hearings cost.

I vaguely remember reading the whole thing costing $70 million US taxpayer dollars.

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20 Nov 2020, 1:51 am

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Whether it's taxes or campaign donations, I find the financial spectacle extremely wasteful & ridiculous. That money could feed people, instead it feeds their egos.

Given that the majority of the funds will be going towards wages of people who may otherwise not have an income as the result of lockdowns, and in the case of the vote counters would likely be going to poorer people being it will be a "low skill" job and so not require\entice "middle class" or "upper class" applicants, it could also be seen as a benefit, allowing an income to people who may otherwise not have had one (even if only for a short time).

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20 Nov 2020, 1:55 am

According to CNBC the Trump campaign paid $3 million for the Wisconsin recount.

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20 Nov 2020, 1:55 am

@bric As far as I know that's a separate bunch of funding anyway, it's certainly less than the billions going into campaign advertising.

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20 Nov 2020, 2:00 am

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@bric As far as I know that's a separate bunch of funding anyway, it's certainly less than the billions going into campaign advertising.

But campaign advertising is a different thing to the recount...Campaign funds aren't being used for advertising, or related items right now, instead going to wages for the recounts (both to the people fighting for a recount, and those doing the recounts...And to those fighting against a recount).

Campaign advertising is before the election, not after, as there's no reason to pay for advertising to encourage people to vote in an election which has already passed.

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20 Nov 2020, 2:38 am

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Ever since then I was thinking that the way Democrats handled losing 2016 election and the way Trump handles losing 2020 election are actually very similar, and I was wondering why nobody besides me sees it.

Well, as I recall…

Hillary Clinton conceded the day after the 2016 election.
Barack Obama invited Donald Trump to the White House to begin the transition process the day after the 2016 election.
The Democratic Party called for zero recounts in the 2016 election.
The Democratic Party filed zero court cases disputing the outcome of the 2016 election.

(Oh, and Russia *did* try to interfere in the 2016 election.)

That does not strike me as similar at all...

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20 Nov 2020, 3:22 am

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Hillary Clinton conceded the day after the 2016 election.
Barack Obama invited Donald Trump to the White House to begin the transition process the day after the 2016 election. The Democratic Party called for zero recounts in the 2016 election.

But, on a flip side, Democratic party spent 4 years on Russia investigation. Will Trump spend 4 years on this one? We will see I guess. But at least it didn't happen as of yet.

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The Democratic Party filed zero court cases disputing the outcome of the 2016 election.

The investigation about Russia "is" a court case. So it wasn't zero.

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(Oh, and Russia *did* try to interfere in the 2016 election.)

Then you are not talking about the fact that democrats didn't file any cases. Rather you are talking about the fact that the cases that democrats filed are true while the ones republicans filed are not. Well, then it is the matter of opinion. Fact is: both sides filed cases. Which ones are true which ones aren't is a different matter.

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20 Nov 2020, 3:35 am

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Hillary Clinton says Biden should not concede the election 'under any circumstances'

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-e ... r-n1238156

Goose/gander.

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20 Nov 2020, 3:41 am

Hillary, Obama and the Democrats claimed Donald Trump won the election because he and Republicans colluded with Russia, and investigations and hearings were launched to try and prove that.

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20 Nov 2020, 4:11 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Hillary, Obama and the Democrats claimed Donald Trump won the election because he and Republicans colluded with Russia, and investigations and hearings were launched to try and prove that.

The accusations didn't stick after nearly 4 years.

Just saying.

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20 Nov 2020, 4:26 am

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GGPViper wrote:

The Democratic Party filed zero court cases disputing the outcome of the 2016 election.

The investigation about Russia "is" a court case. So it wasn't zero.

That is not a court case disputing the outcome of an election.

There have been 7 disputed elections in US history: 1800, 1824, 1860, 1876, 1960, 2000 and 2020.

2016 is not one of them. And 1960 barely counts, as Nixon himself accepted the 1960 outcome 3 days after the election.

Once again: The Democratic Party filed zero court cases disputing the outcome of the 2016 election.

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20 Nov 2020, 4:42 am

GGPViper wrote:

QFT wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

The Democratic Party filed zero court cases disputing the outcome of the 2016 election.

The investigation about Russia "is" a court case. So it wasn't zero.

But they did use Jill Stein as a proxy, with her opening cases for a recount when she was a very distant 3rd place in the states, with 0 electoral college votes, and where overturning the results in the states would have led to Ms. Clinton winning...

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20 Nov 2020, 4:44 am

I believe people who are maintaining a similarity between the 2016 and 2020 election are looking at the philosophical aspects.

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20 Nov 2020, 6:36 am

GGPViper wrote:

QFT wrote:

Hillary never literally said "I take my concession back" but she took it back
Hillary Clinton: Trump is an ‘illegitimate president’
Former Vice President Joe Biden says he 'absolutely agrees' with comment that Trump is an 'illegitimate president'
Jimmy Carter Says He Sees Trump As An Illegitimate President

The Dems do the same thing in a different way.

One similarity between Trump's suing and impeachment is that the people doing it know they have no chance of succeeding.

Trump did the illegitimate president thing earlier with his birther conspiracy theories. And unlike the Dems Trump is doing his thing while the pandemic is raging uncontrollably so yes Trump is worse, but the Dems have no moral high ground to stand on.

At the end of the day, the most important thing is who is not the worst offender. Despite what the "woke" people theorize despite flaws the American Republic is not flawed, has accomplished great things, and gives us the tools to accomplish so much more. What all involved in spreading "illegitimate President" conspiracy theories are doing is contributing to national existential self-harm.

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20 Nov 2020, 9:12 am

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... At the end of the day, the most important thing is who is not the worst offender...

... but how quickly the current offender will concede the election and begin to cooperate with his replacement.

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