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25 Nov 2020, 12:40 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Next will be all the talk about how he's going to run for the 2024 election, and all the campaigning against it. In other words, back to square one.

By 2024 he'll be racked by dementia and will need a walking frame. I'm more worried by the monster of his son or the she-devil daughter of his having a crack.

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25 Nov 2020, 12:44 am

GGPViper wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Mona Pereth wrote:

See:

- What Trump faces on Jan. 20, 2021 by Tom Winter, NBC News, Nov. 22, 2020: "As soon as he becomes a private citizen, Trump will be stripped of the legal armor that has protected him from pending cases both civil and criminal."
- Once Out Of Office, Trump Faces Significant Legal Jeopardy by Ryan Lucas, NPR, November 20, 2020
- The People v. Donald J. Trump by Jeff Wise, New York Magazine, Sept. 14, 2020: "The criminal case against him is already in the works — and it could go to trial sooner than you think."
- Possible Federal and State Crimes - American Constitution Society

Before I hunt though those, since I'm sure you read each carefully, do they specifically cite what laws Trump has broken ie "U.S. Code §_______ "?

Copy-paste from the third link above...

https://uscode.house.gov/view.xhtml?pat ... ion=prelim
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1001
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/371
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/PEN/175.10
https://www.nysenate.gov/legislation/laws/RPT/1806

That's much better. Thanks. When I started out with the first link: "The defendant looked uncomfortable as he stood to testify in the shabby courtroom. Dressed in a dark suit and somber tie, he seemed aged, dimmed, his posture noticeably stooped. The past year had been a massive comedown for the 76-year-old former world leader." I didn't feel like pursuing the rest of it.

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25 Nov 2020, 12:53 am

cyberdad wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Next will be all the talk about how he's going to run for the 2024 election, and all the campaigning against it. In other words, back to square one.

By 2024 he'll be racked by dementia and will need a walking frame. I'm more worried by the monster of his son or the she-devil daughter of his having a crack.

Realistically speaking, Trump doesn't show signs of dementia or physical disability. He plays golf regularly, was barely affected by covid etc. You could say his diet will take its toll, but some people like 90 year old Warren Buffett can eat like that and get away with it.

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25 Nov 2020, 1:04 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Mona Pereth wrote:

Before I hunt though those, since I'm sure you read each carefully, do they specifically cite what laws Trump has broken ie "U.S. Code §_______ "?

The New York Magazine article includes the following:

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Both Mueller and the Senate Intelligence Committee — a Republican-led panel — have extensively documented how Trump committed obstruction of justice (18 U.S. Code § 73), lied to investigators (18 U.S. Code § 1001), and conspired with Russian intelligence to commit an offense against the United States (18 U.S. Code § 371). All three crimes carry a maximum sentence of five years in prison — per charge.

It is relatively unlikely that the above charges will be pursued under the Biden administration, for various reasons discussed in the New York Magazine article. But the following charges are more likely:

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There are two main charges that Vance is likely to pursue. The first is falsifying business records (N.Y. Penal Law § 175.10). During Cohen’s trial, federal prosecutors filed a sentencing memorandum that explained how the Trump Organization had mischaracterized hush-money payments as “legal expenses” in its bookkeeping. Under New York law, falsifying records by itself is only a misdemeanor, but if it results in the commission of another crime, it becomes a felony. And false business records frequently lead to another offense: tax fraud (N.Y. Tax Law § 1806).

Legal experts quoted in this article include Bennett Gershman (a professor of constitutional law at Pace Law School who served for a decade as a New York State prosecutor), Timothy W. Hoover (president of the New York State Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers), Martin Sheil (a former IRS criminal investigator), Ilene Jaroslaw (a former assistant U.S. Attorney).

The NBC News and NPR news stories don't go into quite as much legal detail, but do make important relevant points.

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25 Nov 2020, 1:14 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:

GGPViper wrote:

Looking again at the first link I gave you:

Mona Pereth wrote:

I don't find the paragraph you quoted above. Indeed the article is much more informative than that!

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25 Nov 2020, 1:15 am

cyberdad wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Next will be all the talk about how he's going to run for the 2024 election, and all the campaigning against it. In other words, back to square one.

By 2024 he'll be racked by dementia and will need a walking frame. I'm more worried by the monster of his son or the she-devil daughter of his having a crack.

Only democrats,

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25 Nov 2020, 1:20 am

Ok if Biden is 78 then Trump could run again in 2024.

He would need to keep himself mentally occupied and plenty of holes (gold of course) to keep him rejuvenated.

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25 Nov 2020, 1:44 am

I remember when my mom told me Reagan had Alzheimer's in the white house but it turns out he didn't get diagnosed until he was out of office. Makes me wonder if my mom thought back in the 1980's that he was getting it and imagine if she shared it with others and everyone thought she was crazy then. She worked as a nurse.

Turns out she wasn't the only one who thought that:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ronal ... s-disease/

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25 Nov 2020, 2:43 am

Mona Pereth wrote:

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Mona Pereth wrote:

Before I hunt though those, since I'm sure you read each carefully, do they specifically cite what laws Trump has broken ie "U.S. Code §_______ "?

The New York Magazine article includes the following:

Quote:

Okay that's got meat on the bone. I've heard a lot of talk about Hillary going to jail and have seen many memes of her wearing an orange jumpsuit too. With Trump it looked just like more of the same. That's why I was wondering if there was any substance to it or if it was just fantasy.

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25 Nov 2020, 2:49 am

League_Girl wrote:

There was lots of talk about Reagan being senile whilst he was in office. Impersonators would say "well..." and then just stand there with their head wobbling.

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25 Nov 2020, 3:18 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:

Well, there is a difference between a crowd repeatedly screaming "Lock her up" at a rally and actual ongoing criminal investigations.

And after almost 4 years in office and countless attempts to do so, neither Trump nor Jeff Sessions nor William Barr have been able to bring a single charge against Hillary Clinton (or even start an investigation).

As for Trump.... well, he might have recovered from the coronavirus, but can he recover from Cyrus the Virus?

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25 Nov 2020, 9:24 am

GGPViper wrote:

... As for Trump... well, he might have recovered from the coronavirus, but can he recover from Cyrus the Virus?

There are 7 people I see regularly who still consider Mr. Trump as the pinnacle of presidential integrity. Those people have been exceptionally obnoxious for the last four years -- never letting up on what they believed were the last dying gasps of the Democratic Party.

"Lock Her Up!" bumper stickers were on each of their vehicles, and they used it the way the rest of us use the word "Hello".

But not so much since the GSA announced it was going ahead with the transition to the Biden/Harris administration.

I am waiting for the moment when I can start greeting them with my own heart-felt "Lock Him Up!"

:twisted:

After all, turnabout IS fair play, y'know ... (gloat) ... (gloat) ... (gloat) ...

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25 Nov 2020, 11:38 am

I think they should both be locked up as cell mates and have that made into a reality show.

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14 Dec 2020, 5:20 pm

Why Donald Trump is failing at making his dictator dreams a reality by Sophia A. McClennen, Salon, December 13, 2020: "Trump’s autocratic designs are disturbingly forthright and blatant. We're lucky he's not better at building power"

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14 Dec 2020, 5:44 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:

(36 Days, 20 Hours, 42 minutes to go...)

He tried to run his administration the same way he ran his businesses -- through fear and intimidation of his employees.

In the Trump corporate world, a person can show up at work one morning and be greeted by a security guard who already has the (now ex-) employee's personal belongings all cataloged an stuffed into a box. Someone else could be called down to HR, told to sign a release form, and shame-walked through the building and out to the parking lot. Others can be called into a closed-door boardroom meeting, only to be told "You're Fired" as soon as the meeting starts. Finally, anyone can receive an email, a text-message, a phone-call, or even a telegram stating that their services are no longer required. THAT is the corporate world of Donald J. Trump.

This model flies in the face of the way our federal government has been run for as long as I remember (maybe longer), when a leader cajoled, schmoozed, and generally used diplomacy to inspire the people to follow the leader's lead and do what the leader believes needs to be done.

And then here comes a crotch-grabbing, foul-mouthed, paranoiac tyrant with delusions of adequacy telling everyone around him to believe everything he tells them (and ignore everyone else), do as he says (not as he does), "... or else!"

Fortunately, his tyrannical style was out there for all to see; unlike past Presidents who were all smiles and handshakes for camera and public, but who made certain their behavior was consistently firm, yet attentive when only their staff-members were around.

We need another Harry Truman.

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15 Dec 2020, 6:22 am

Tick-tick-tick!

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