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31 Dec 2020, 9:35 am

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Sorry but age does make a difference to you.

I can't generalise all youngsters as naive or all old people as wise but all things being equal - ie the same individual - I can do.

Also how I treat someone due to age is rarely going to be negative except if it's something like not dating someone outside of the age group. (Which honestly? The Half Your Age + 7 rule is a way to avoid creeps taking advantage of youngsters rather than 'discrimination'.)

That all things equal thing includes family.

I respect my elders. I protect my younger relatives. That doesn't make me a bigot, it just means I'm taking their life experience/lack of life experience into account.

The times it DOES break stereotypes? That's cos other factors are at play. I've known some downright stupid old people before. But I suspect they were even stupider in their 40s than in their 70s.


When you are 20 years older, you will see things differently.
People get wiser with experience, assuming no brain trauma or dementia, etc.
Young people have to earn their stripes in life. 8)


I said that...

It does depend on individual though. Some people go their entire lives being idiots.

They get wiser but they should speak down to younger members of their own sort, not to someone who is clearly more intelligent and educated. If your only education is reading the DM, I'm not the person you should be speaking down to, younger uneducated DM readers are.


Talking about "older creeps" is a sign of one type of ageism.
Talking in those terms suggests a type of attitude.
You will see things differently in 20 years time. 8)

While I don't have a problem with most younger people, I do with younger people with an attitude. 8O


I don't care.

If someone is my exact age and hitting on a 16 yo, that is old creep behaviour.

It's legal in the UK but it's still creepy.

If people want to not be regarded as old creeps they should stick to only hitting on people with similar levels of life experience to themselves. Esp at my age, if you're hitting on someone half your age then you're pretty close to being a nonce. If you're even older than me and hitting on teens - there's something severely askew even if they're (the teens) adults.

I think it's something you understand once you have relatives from the younger generation to you who are technically adults. If someone my age started pestering my 17 yo nephew for sex, I would hate them for it.

Also I'm saying that ageism is a nonsense prejudice. It's a bit like saying 'fat phobic' when someone is dangerously unhealthy. Saying 'that's ageist' means little to me because I don't consider it a proper prejudice ie a belief out of nowhere.

Someone hits on a teenager when they're in their 30s +? Creep.


So there is no misunderstanding, my dating days are over.
I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.

In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster. :mrgreen:


If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.

I'm in the nice in between age anyway :mrgreen: Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything 8)


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31 Dec 2020, 10:47 am

Also that pretty much sums it up tbh.

Brats isn't really the opposite of old creeps. Chavvy dangerous teenagers is. It makes sense to fear younger, stronger boys in gangs.

Brats is just annoying little kids.

Racism = just against ethnic minorities or those in colonised nations who've been colonised.
Classism = just against the working class
Ageism = something everyone can experience. Sometimes someone can be too young and too old at the same time, depending on who asks. There's no oppressed class, or if there are then there's infinite ones from babyhood to the oldest person on earth.

A 50 yo might consider me 'a millennial who's ruining everything' and a 15 yo might consider me 'an adult who just doesn't get it!'

Being age appropriate is important and part of that is knowing when it's inappropriate to hit on someone. No, not all adults do this, but those who do are being inappropriate creeps and putting youngsters (adult teens) at risk for selfish gain. In fact those two things are linked - most people don't do it because it's inappropriate and they/we recognise that so don't do it.

It's also right for younger people to listen to the advice of older peers. Older people who are equally as well educated as them, for eg their own parents, might have good advice coming from the decades of life they experienced. Even if the younger people are adults. My mum's in her 50s and still goes to her dad for advice.


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31 Dec 2020, 11:08 am

KT67 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
So there is no misunderstanding, my dating days are over.
I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.

In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster. :mrgreen:


If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.

I'm in the nice in between age anyway :mrgreen: Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything 8)


Pepe's the biggest brat here.



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31 Dec 2020, 11:35 am

Tempus Fugit wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
So there is no misunderstanding, my dating days are over.
I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.

In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster. :mrgreen:


If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.

I'm in the nice in between age anyway :mrgreen: Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything 8)


Pepe's the biggest brat here.


True :lol:

Nothing wrong with adult brats though :lol: That's a safe way to be inappropriate... :lol:


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31 Dec 2020, 11:51 am

Ageism is assuming the older person is not capable of being with it, is the person worth sacrificing in a triage situation not as an individual but because of their age demographic. Ageism is an essential feature of American culture.


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31 Dec 2020, 1:58 pm



Ageism; Yes, NuMBeRiSM
Days Are Numbers
Years Are Numbers
Time Is Numbers

So What
Is Age
Or

A

New Year
Coming or
Going All An Illusion

For What We Feel and
Sense Within So Much

More Real than All

External SHeLLS Our
Minds Create Away From Spirit Within

Of Soul A HeART only Evolving Younger in Freer Spirit

From A Science Perspective Some Folks Master The

Numbers of Aging With Grace of Keeping Telomeres

Longer With No Stress And Fear Even Meditation

A Few Instances A Week Studied to Keep

A Physical Cross-Section of a Brain

As Healthy As A 50 Year-Old

Brain At 25 In Organic

Scientific FOR REAL

Assessment; Stressed,

It's true, 'Couch Potatoes

Stuck to Screens' Age Much

Differently Than Fresh Vegetables

In the Garden That Only Evolve With More Colors of Love;

Light Up Mind/Body With More Connections Evolving Always

Now In Greater Complexity of Ease Who Knows You Might

Even Get 3 Times Stronger From Age 53 to Age 60 as

Empirically assessed Leg Pressing 500 thru 1520

Pounds Just

Because

'It' hasn't

Been Done

Before Doesn't

Mean someone Will

Find A Way to Age Even

Less in Terms of NuMBeRS From Birth To Death

Ever Loving This Breath of Life Without Sinking to an

Every Day Death iN

Fear of

NuMBeRS

Or Any Other

Illusion of Life

That Fear Brings

In Shorter Terms of Life Now or Then...

i Never Even Started Living until 53...

Truly There is Nothing Much

To Fear About

Aging

Yet Fear Itself

For Good Reason

The Negative Stress of

Fear Does Indeed Make

the NuMBeRs Scary for some folks at least...

Other than That Folks Don't Judge the Attractiveness of Others by Numbers Alone...
It Surely Doesn't Impact The Young Dudes Who Still Gravitate toward my 50-Year
Old Wife Everywhere She Goes And True i surely have Never Asked A Young Woman

to Dance

Yet obviously
With Thousands
of Dances Coming

The Other Way

i surely am

Not Assessed

by Age As Creepy to them Keeping my Age No Secret As

More often They Demand i show them my ID of Birthdate 6.6.60

After They Ask for my Phone Number After i do NOT Give it to them

And It Doesn't Even Help When i Show them my Wife in a Bikini

As my Honesty Doesn't Help me Escape Still Reaching Out to me...

Mixing Fearless And Honesty is Just Another Nuclear Bomb to 'them'...

All in Life is Relative to the Reality of Who We Are now....

For me at Least i wouldn't Trade this Moment Forever

Young Now as i already am within..

And that's

All that

Really

Counts Now

Always Enough Now...

For You See When We Die We

Don't Breathe to See...

i Breathe

to Live

Now

And That's All

That's Ever Counted For Real in my Life..

i Laugh in the Face of NuMBeRS of Age

Stronger And Happier than i Am ever Before...

Attitude is about 95 Percent of Who We Really Are Within Now...

Literally As Such too as Most Folks Are only Aware of About

5 Percent of

What they even are now...

And Even Less of Who They Could Be Now...

Life is A Great Adventure For those Who come

to See More of Life's Breath Now Again Fear is

A Greatest Illusion The Enemy of Eternal Youth Within

AS Humans Are only

Born with two

Fears

Falling

And Loud Noises

We MaNuFaCTuRE the rest or not....

in terms

of falling

falling

NuMBeRS Now...


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31 Dec 2020, 5:18 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
Ageism is assuming the older person is not capable of being with it, is the person worth sacrificing in a triage situation not as an individual but because of their age demographic. Ageism is an essential feature of American culture.


It's making assumptions based on age. Any assumptions.

Calling it a prejudice is acting like as if it mattered as little as race does in terms of determining personality, what's appropriate etc.

I don't think so. Or at least it's more like gender or ethnic group/culture in terms of how it affects cultural factors/mental factors on an individual than it is like sex (privates) or skin colour.

People will always learn more in life than they knew as babies. More and more stuff unless/until they get something that damages their brain.

It's not sexist/transphobic to say people with XY chromosomes can't carry babies. It's not racist to say white people's skin burns more easily.


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31 Dec 2020, 5:35 pm

Also I'm not American but the reason why your society skews so much towards the young is because it values beauty and productivity above wisdom.

Both valuing the youth's beauty and valuing the old's wisdom would be a form of ageism.

Since it's just assuming that age groups have different properties.


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31 Dec 2020, 7:20 pm

It's a fair assumption that older people cost a company more in health care costs.

So, in the US, a company would likely favor a younger worker.


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01 Jan 2021, 12:29 pm

TheRobotLives wrote:
It's a fair assumption that older people cost a company more in health care costs.

So, in the US, a company would likely favor a younger worker.


That's the problem with commodified healthcare.

The 'customers' who need the 'product' the most are those who can't get it as easily: the extremely disabled, the very young (I had many more doctor appointments as a kid than as an adult) and the very old are all less likely to be good at working esp physical jobs (my stepdad was 75 when he retired but that's not a physical labour job).


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01 Jan 2021, 1:32 pm

I will be 60 tomorrow.

I haven’t called in sick on my job in YEARS.



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01 Jan 2021, 1:50 pm

KT67 wrote:
Tempus Fugit wrote:
KT67 wrote:
Pepe wrote:
KT67 wrote:
So there is no misunderstanding, my dating days are over.
I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.

In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster. :mrgreen:


If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.

I'm in the nice in between age anyway :mrgreen: Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything 8)


Pepe's the biggest brat here.


True :lol:

Nothing wrong with adult brats though :lol: That's a safe way to be inappropriate... :lol:



Yeah It's True Ya Can't Become A Child
Again And Truly Enjoy A Golden Age

Until Ya ReTire All the Barren

Wheels of School

And Work

That only Really

Mostly Mold Us into

Tools That Fit Well

Enough to

Be Cogs

In the Machine

Of Insanely Large Groups

Of Humans Never Truly Evolved

To Do What We Do Actually Do today

Without Free Agency Within EYes of 'The Child'

Only Tools Valuable Commodities As i was once

Assessed By

A Boss for

My Worth of Humanity

It's True i Paid That Sacrifice

As Part of A Machine to Set my Self

Free in a Golden Age Now At 60 Feeling

Younger Than 16 With Zero Levels of Negative

Stress And 100 Percent Love to Give to All and Share

in a Free Dance And Song of LiFE iN LiGHT TotAlly Exposed

For Anyone Who Cares to See... No Secrets on My End in PRiSoN

Yeah... This CuLTuRE

This VuLTuRE

CuLTuRE

Eating It's

Zombie Face of

Freedom Away Tools

Humans Become CogS iN A Machine

Paid the Cost of Free In this 'Insane CuLTuRE'

As A Young Nephew Still Going To School In Guise

Of Numbers Makes Life Real Asked me Oh Gosh You are

60 It must Be Horrible

Getting Old

Little

Does He

Know i once Lived

In Another Place of

Hell Yet to Realize He LiveS iN NoW

All MaNuFaCTuRED by the True Insanity

of Humanity Simply Living Out of Peace And

Harmony Of Love Cooperating Dancing And Singing

Well Being of Life iN Balance..

SMiLinG CoLoRinG

SMiLiNG CoLoRinG

Moving, Connecting

Creating More Just

SMiLinG SMiLinG

For Thine

Living

Eyes

of Happiness Now Joy To BREaTHE

Every Gift of Life That's Love Forevermore now...

YeaH It's True Evidence of Many of The Freedom's

i Enjoy Now Totally Legal Would Keep Me Out

of Work Simply for i do not Conform

To Straight Jacket

Life Not

Even

PriSoN of 'Nascar Lines'

Of Page Back And Forth

Back And Forth Like

A Circle that

Never

Really goes

Anywhere New at all...

Yeah CuLTuRE Values it WHeRE

i Live Yet i have Choice Free Agency

Will Not To Mold Unto Their Bend

in
Knees
to Worship

Only 'A Common God' in A PRiSoN Book...

Not Different Really Than Going Around

A Same Old Nascar Track Or Football

Team's QuarterBack You Better Worship

Or Get Kicked Out of the Stands (falls) the Machine of Tool...

Us We Them

They And

Those

Who

Simply

Unplug And Set

Their Naked Wings Free

Wings With Age Now Just Breathing Free...

CuLTuRiSM A True Functional Disability That

Removes Free Whatever Label of Illusion is ASSiGNED Next...

i Through

Those

Signs

A Way

And Dance

And Sing My

Own CuLTuRE Free Now

"Priests of the Kosmos" As

Whitman Relates the Older

Order Just Fades Away Free RiSinG

And Yes of course Financial Independence Key

In Countries Where God Reigns Green In Money Beyond Freer Soul Breath...


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01 Jan 2021, 1:52 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I will be 60 tomorrow.

I haven’t called in sick on my job in YEARS.


Happy Birthday A Day
in Advance You're Still
A Youngster Kraftie.. Hehe

-Your Elder by 6.6.60
6 Months Almost 7...

Yeah and When i Retired
Early By Almost Dying
i Worked All the Holidays

Rarely Ever Took A Sick Day

Off And At Age 47 A Year and

A Half of Sick Leave And Annual

Leave Lasted all the Way Until

The 'Official Early

Retirement'

Papers Were

Signed Just in the

Nick of Time then in

25 Years of Federal

Service And 8 Years

Prior to that in Other Various

Jobs Ranging From Archaeology Associate,

Book Store Clerk, And Janitor Where There Were

Some Months i Held All 3 part time Jobs With A Very

Full Work-Load At College Earning 3 College Degrees

At Once Yep my 'Autism Burn-Out' Was Just A 'Time-Bomb' Ticking Even then...

I've learned

To Focus

On One

Task Now

In Laser Focus

i Get So Much More

Done now than Ever Before

In Every Way of Empirical Measure

Before In Well Being, Strength, And Loving Productivity

too; Just The Ability Not To do A Zillion Things At

once Quite A Pleasure now

Effortless

in Ease indeed...

In Short, i Never

Said No And i Just

Did More until it almost killed me...

i Don't Do that Anymore; Lesson

Learned Early Enough to Keep Living Well...

i Suggest That Everyone Here Does a Bit of Research

On Autism Burn-out Before Anyone Ends up in Hell the

Way i did for real

for 66 Months..

Yeah i felt

Like A 1001

Years-Old in those

Years of 47 through 53....

i Just Wasn't Cut-Out to Manage

Other Folks i would Do Their Jobs Before Firing them...

That's One thing i never Did in Decades of Supervising...

Never firing anyone...

Yep

Still the

Anti-Trump hehe...

Other Folks Like Trump

Got Big Smiles on their

Face for what they Called 'SH8TCanning Others...

Humans Aren't Garbage... 'Gehenna' only Exists for me in 'Evil Books'....


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01 Jan 2021, 1:58 pm

Thanks very much.

I’m 1.2.61



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kraftiekortie wrote:
Thanks very much.

I’m 1.2.61


You are Very Welcome
Kortie You May Not
Have seen the rest

of the Details of my Edited Comment..

Haha; It seemed Like a Short Response for a while at least..;)


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01 Jan 2021, 2:42 pm

I would have liked a job in Archaeology. I used to be into Australopithecus and Neanderthals.

I have had the same job since 1980. Data entry operator civil service.

Lucky me.