"Ageism" is nonsense
I can't generalise all youngsters as naive or all old people as wise but all things being equal - ie the same individual - I can do.
Also how I treat someone due to age is rarely going to be negative except if it's something like not dating someone outside of the age group. (Which honestly? The Half Your Age + 7 rule is a way to avoid creeps taking advantage of youngsters rather than 'discrimination'.)
That all things equal thing includes family.
I respect my elders. I protect my younger relatives. That doesn't make me a bigot, it just means I'm taking their life experience/lack of life experience into account.
The times it DOES break stereotypes? That's cos other factors are at play. I've known some downright stupid old people before. But I suspect they were even stupider in their 40s than in their 70s.
When you are 20 years older, you will see things differently.
People get wiser with experience, assuming no brain trauma or dementia, etc.
Young people have to earn their stripes in life.
I said that...
It does depend on individual though. Some people go their entire lives being idiots.
They get wiser but they should speak down to younger members of their own sort, not to someone who is clearly more intelligent and educated. If your only education is reading the DM, I'm not the person you should be speaking down to, younger uneducated DM readers are.
Talking about "older creeps" is a sign of one type of ageism.
Talking in those terms suggests a type of attitude.
You will see things differently in 20 years time.
While I don't have a problem with most younger people, I do with younger people with an attitude.
I don't care.
If someone is my exact age and hitting on a 16 yo, that is old creep behaviour.
It's legal in the UK but it's still creepy.
If people want to not be regarded as old creeps they should stick to only hitting on people with similar levels of life experience to themselves. Esp at my age, if you're hitting on someone half your age then you're pretty close to being a nonce. If you're even older than me and hitting on teens - there's something severely askew even if they're (the teens) adults.
I think it's something you understand once you have relatives from the younger generation to you who are technically adults. If someone my age started pestering my 17 yo nephew for sex, I would hate them for it.
Also I'm saying that ageism is a nonsense prejudice. It's a bit like saying 'fat phobic' when someone is dangerously unhealthy. Saying 'that's ageist' means little to me because I don't consider it a proper prejudice ie a belief out of nowhere.
Someone hits on a teenager when they're in their 30s +? Creep.
So there is no misunderstanding, my dating days are over.
I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.
In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster.
If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.
I'm in the nice in between age anyway Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
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Also that pretty much sums it up tbh.
Brats isn't really the opposite of old creeps. Chavvy dangerous teenagers is. It makes sense to fear younger, stronger boys in gangs.
Brats is just annoying little kids.
Racism = just against ethnic minorities or those in colonised nations who've been colonised.
Classism = just against the working class
Ageism = something everyone can experience. Sometimes someone can be too young and too old at the same time, depending on who asks. There's no oppressed class, or if there are then there's infinite ones from babyhood to the oldest person on earth.
A 50 yo might consider me 'a millennial who's ruining everything' and a 15 yo might consider me 'an adult who just doesn't get it!'
Being age appropriate is important and part of that is knowing when it's inappropriate to hit on someone. No, not all adults do this, but those who do are being inappropriate creeps and putting youngsters (adult teens) at risk for selfish gain. In fact those two things are linked - most people don't do it because it's inappropriate and they/we recognise that so don't do it.
It's also right for younger people to listen to the advice of older peers. Older people who are equally as well educated as them, for eg their own parents, might have good advice coming from the decades of life they experienced. Even if the younger people are adults. My mum's in her 50s and still goes to her dad for advice.
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I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.
In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster.
If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.
I'm in the nice in between age anyway Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything
Pepe's the biggest brat here.
I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.
In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster.
If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.
I'm in the nice in between age anyway Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything
Pepe's the biggest brat here.
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Nothing wrong with adult brats though That's a safe way to be inappropriate...
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Ageism is assuming the older person is not capable of being with it, is the person worth sacrificing in a triage situation not as an individual but because of their age demographic. Ageism is an essential feature of American culture.
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“My autism is not a superpower. It also isn’t some kind of god-forsaken, endless fountain of suffering inflicted on my family. It’s just part of who I am as a person”. - Sara Luterman
Ageism; Yes, NuMBeRiSM
Days Are Numbers
Years Are Numbers
Time Is Numbers
So What
Is Age
Or
A
New Year
Coming or
Going All An Illusion
For What We Feel and
Sense Within So Much
More Real than All
External SHeLLS Our
Minds Create Away From Spirit Within
Of Soul A HeART only Evolving Younger in Freer Spirit
From A Science Perspective Some Folks Master The
Numbers of Aging With Grace of Keeping Telomeres
Longer With No Stress And Fear Even Meditation
A Few Instances A Week Studied to Keep
A Physical Cross-Section of a Brain
As Healthy As A 50 Year-Old
Brain At 25 In Organic
Scientific FOR REAL
Assessment; Stressed,
It's true, 'Couch Potatoes
Stuck to Screens' Age Much
Differently Than Fresh Vegetables
In the Garden That Only Evolve With More Colors of Love;
Light Up Mind/Body With More Connections Evolving Always
Now In Greater Complexity of Ease Who Knows You Might
Even Get 3 Times Stronger From Age 53 to Age 60 as
Empirically assessed Leg Pressing 500 thru 1520
Pounds Just
Because
'It' hasn't
Been Done
Before Doesn't
Mean someone Will
Find A Way to Age Even
Less in Terms of NuMBeRS From Birth To Death
Ever Loving This Breath of Life Without Sinking to an
Every Day Death iN
Fear of
NuMBeRS
Or Any Other
Illusion of Life
That Fear Brings
In Shorter Terms of Life Now or Then...
i Never Even Started Living until 53...
Truly There is Nothing Much
To Fear About
Aging
Yet Fear Itself
For Good Reason
The Negative Stress of
Fear Does Indeed Make
the NuMBeRs Scary for some folks at least...
Other than That Folks Don't Judge the Attractiveness of Others by Numbers Alone...
It Surely Doesn't Impact The Young Dudes Who Still Gravitate toward my 50-Year
Old Wife Everywhere She Goes And True i surely have Never Asked A Young Woman
to Dance
Yet obviously
With Thousands
of Dances Coming
The Other Way
i surely am
Not Assessed
by Age As Creepy to them Keeping my Age No Secret As
More often They Demand i show them my ID of Birthdate 6.6.60
After They Ask for my Phone Number After i do NOT Give it to them
And It Doesn't Even Help When i Show them my Wife in a Bikini
As my Honesty Doesn't Help me Escape Still Reaching Out to me...
Mixing Fearless And Honesty is Just Another Nuclear Bomb to 'them'...
All in Life is Relative to the Reality of Who We Are now....
For me at Least i wouldn't Trade this Moment Forever
Young Now as i already am within..
And that's
All that
Really
Counts Now
Always Enough Now...
For You See When We Die We
Don't Breathe to See...
i Breathe
to Live
Now
And That's All
That's Ever Counted For Real in my Life..
i Laugh in the Face of NuMBeRS of Age
Stronger And Happier than i Am ever Before...
Attitude is about 95 Percent of Who We Really Are Within Now...
Literally As Such too as Most Folks Are only Aware of About
5 Percent of
What they even are now...
And Even Less of Who They Could Be Now...
Life is A Great Adventure For those Who come
to See More of Life's Breath Now Again Fear is
A Greatest Illusion The Enemy of Eternal Youth Within
AS Humans Are only
Born with two
Fears
Falling
And Loud Noises
We MaNuFaCTuRE the rest or not....
in terms
of falling
falling
NuMBeRS Now...
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It's making assumptions based on age. Any assumptions.
Calling it a prejudice is acting like as if it mattered as little as race does in terms of determining personality, what's appropriate etc.
I don't think so. Or at least it's more like gender or ethnic group/culture in terms of how it affects cultural factors/mental factors on an individual than it is like sex (privates) or skin colour.
People will always learn more in life than they knew as babies. More and more stuff unless/until they get something that damages their brain.
It's not sexist/transphobic to say people with XY chromosomes can't carry babies. It's not racist to say white people's skin burns more easily.
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Also I'm not American but the reason why your society skews so much towards the young is because it values beauty and productivity above wisdom.
Both valuing the youth's beauty and valuing the old's wisdom would be a form of ageism.
Since it's just assuming that age groups have different properties.
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It's a fair assumption that older people cost a company more in health care costs.
So, in the US, a company would likely favor a younger worker.
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Then a hero comes along, with the strength to carry on, and you cast your fears aside, and you know you can survive.
Be the hero of your life.
So, in the US, a company would likely favor a younger worker.
That's the problem with commodified healthcare.
The 'customers' who need the 'product' the most are those who can't get it as easily: the extremely disabled, the very young (I had many more doctor appointments as a kid than as an adult) and the very old are all less likely to be good at working esp physical jobs (my stepdad was 75 when he retired but that's not a physical labour job).
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I do, however, take exception to ageist terminology.
If I talked about "young brats", in general, I am sure I would be offending someone, also.
In 20 years time, I am sure you will see things differently, youngster.
If youngsters are brats then I'll call them brats.
I'm in the nice in between age anyway Too old to be a youngster, too young to be middle aged.
One of those pesky millennials who ruin everything
Pepe's the biggest brat here.
True
Nothing wrong with adult brats though That's a safe way to be inappropriate...
Yeah It's True Ya Can't Become A Child
Again And Truly Enjoy A Golden Age
Until Ya ReTire All the Barren
Wheels of School
And Work
That only Really
Mostly Mold Us into
Tools That Fit Well
Enough to
Be Cogs
In the Machine
Of Insanely Large Groups
Of Humans Never Truly Evolved
To Do What We Do Actually Do today
Without Free Agency Within EYes of 'The Child'
Only Tools Valuable Commodities As i was once
Assessed By
A Boss for
My Worth of Humanity
It's True i Paid That Sacrifice
As Part of A Machine to Set my Self
Free in a Golden Age Now At 60 Feeling
Younger Than 16 With Zero Levels of Negative
Stress And 100 Percent Love to Give to All and Share
in a Free Dance And Song of LiFE iN LiGHT TotAlly Exposed
For Anyone Who Cares to See... No Secrets on My End in PRiSoN
Yeah... This CuLTuRE
This VuLTuRE
CuLTuRE
Eating It's
Zombie Face of
Freedom Away Tools
Humans Become CogS iN A Machine
Paid the Cost of Free In this 'Insane CuLTuRE'
As A Young Nephew Still Going To School In Guise
Of Numbers Makes Life Real Asked me Oh Gosh You are
60 It must Be Horrible
Getting Old
Little
Does He
Know i once Lived
In Another Place of
Hell Yet to Realize He LiveS iN NoW
All MaNuFaCTuRED by the True Insanity
of Humanity Simply Living Out of Peace And
Harmony Of Love Cooperating Dancing And Singing
Well Being of Life iN Balance..
SMiLinG CoLoRinG
SMiLiNG CoLoRinG
Moving, Connecting
Creating More Just
SMiLinG SMiLinG
For Thine
Living
Eyes
of Happiness Now Joy To BREaTHE
Every Gift of Life That's Love Forevermore now...
YeaH It's True Evidence of Many of The Freedom's
i Enjoy Now Totally Legal Would Keep Me Out
of Work Simply for i do not Conform
To Straight Jacket
Life Not
Even
PriSoN of 'Nascar Lines'
Of Page Back And Forth
Back And Forth Like
A Circle that
Never
Really goes
Anywhere New at all...
Yeah CuLTuRE Values it WHeRE
i Live Yet i have Choice Free Agency
Will Not To Mold Unto Their Bend
in
Knees
to Worship
Only 'A Common God' in A PRiSoN Book...
Not Different Really Than Going Around
A Same Old Nascar Track Or Football
Team's QuarterBack You Better Worship
Or Get Kicked Out of the Stands (falls) the Machine of Tool...
Us We Them
They And
Those
Who
Simply
Unplug And Set
Their Naked Wings Free
Wings With Age Now Just Breathing Free...
CuLTuRiSM A True Functional Disability That
Removes Free Whatever Label of Illusion is ASSiGNED Next...
i Through
Those
Signs
A Way
And Dance
And Sing My
Own CuLTuRE Free Now
"Priests of the Kosmos" As
Whitman Relates the Older
Order Just Fades Away Free RiSinG
And Yes of course Financial Independence Key
In Countries Where God Reigns Green In Money Beyond Freer Soul Breath...
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I haven’t called in sick on my job in YEARS.
Happy Birthday A Day
in Advance You're Still
A Youngster Kraftie.. Hehe
-Your Elder by 6.6.60
6 Months Almost 7...
Yeah and When i Retired
Early By Almost Dying
i Worked All the Holidays
Rarely Ever Took A Sick Day
Off And At Age 47 A Year and
A Half of Sick Leave And Annual
Leave Lasted all the Way Until
The 'Official Early
Retirement'
Papers Were
Signed Just in the
Nick of Time then in
25 Years of Federal
Service And 8 Years
Prior to that in Other Various
Jobs Ranging From Archaeology Associate,
Book Store Clerk, And Janitor Where There Were
Some Months i Held All 3 part time Jobs With A Very
Full Work-Load At College Earning 3 College Degrees
At Once Yep my 'Autism Burn-Out' Was Just A 'Time-Bomb' Ticking Even then...
I've learned
To Focus
On One
Task Now
In Laser Focus
i Get So Much More
Done now than Ever Before
In Every Way of Empirical Measure
Before In Well Being, Strength, And Loving Productivity
too; Just The Ability Not To do A Zillion Things At
once Quite A Pleasure now
Effortless
in Ease indeed...
In Short, i Never
Said No And i Just
Did More until it almost killed me...
i Don't Do that Anymore; Lesson
Learned Early Enough to Keep Living Well...
i Suggest That Everyone Here Does a Bit of Research
On Autism Burn-out Before Anyone Ends up in Hell the
Way i did for real
for 66 Months..
Yeah i felt
Like A 1001
Years-Old in those
Years of 47 through 53....
i Just Wasn't Cut-Out to Manage
Other Folks i would Do Their Jobs Before Firing them...
That's One thing i never Did in Decades of Supervising...
Never firing anyone...
Yep
Still the
Anti-Trump hehe...
Other Folks Like Trump
Got Big Smiles on their
Face for what they Called 'SH8TCanning Others...
Humans Aren't Garbage... 'Gehenna' only Exists for me in 'Evil Books'....
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You are Very Welcome
Kortie You May Not
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of the Details of my Edited Comment..
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