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06 Jan 2021, 6:58 pm

Actually, we still do live with dinosaurs. They're called birds.
But, yeah, the page from the creationist book had me laughing! :lol: :lol: :lol:


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06 Jan 2021, 7:12 pm

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It still shows racial bias, as the man has a full, dark beard and straight hair.  This precludes those ethnicities that have sparse beards and kinky-curly hair.

It also shows sexual bias, in that the woman is depicted as smaller in stature than the man.


Is it incorrect to assume that women are generally shorter than men, then? Only that's generally been my experience. If anything I'd say the difference in height between genders has reduced over time, not grown. Admittedly that is based almost entirely on my Grandad on my mother's side being 6'2" and my Grandma being 4'10" though.



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06 Jan 2021, 7:34 pm

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It still shows racial bias, as the man has a full, dark beard and straight hair.  This precludes those ethnicities that have sparse beards and kinky-curly hair.

It also shows sexual bias, in that the woman is depicted as smaller in stature than the man.


Is it incorrect to assume that women are generally shorter than men, then? Only that's generally been my experience. If anything I'd say the difference in height between genders has reduced over time, not grown. Admittedly that is based almost entirely on my Grandad on my mother's side being 6'2" and my Grandma being 4'10" though.


That was nit pick at best. Many animals have "sexual dimorphism" (the sexes are built different). And humans are one example. Not the most extreme example, but an example. And size can be part of the dimorphism. Spider females are way bigger than males. And male gorillas are quite a bit bigger than females.

Humans have a less extreme version of the size divergence of gorillas. So to show a human couple with the male slightly bigger is fine. Granted that there more overlap in size between the human sexes than there is among spiders or gorillas, but statistically males are on average bigger. So if you wanna cast actors to play the first human couple its believable to make the dude a tad taller.



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06 Jan 2021, 7:35 pm

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Is it incorrect to assume that women are generally shorter than men, then?
It is politically incorrect... in some circles, probably.
I'm not part of these circles.


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06 Jan 2021, 8:06 pm

Interesting book.
Still perhaps more accurate that the JW's take on it all....
certainly a happier take on the creation story, and they fitted in the dinosaurs to fit with their religions
lack of explanation... awesome.

The JW's are generally doom and gloom, the end is nigh and all.
Which is fair enough if that's what they believe.

Until they get to their imagined "new Kingdom" heaven on earth.
Which for some may very well feature scenes not too dissimilar to pictured in the above book.
Haven lived as an JW (but unbaptised) I always enjoyed the talks from the JW's who made up all
sorts of really lucid pictures in their imagination.

Where they got the ideas from, I have no idea, as it wasn't based on the Bible.
If you want a fun conversation with the JW's, that is one question that always provokes their
imaginations.

I remember some thought the new system of things, aka the new Kingdom.
People will all be perfect, in their perfect age and state of existence without any imperfection,
and the perfect world will be full of things like Melons the size of a house, and strawberries the size of people.

Some real thought gone into some of their answers, although not always the most scientific answers,
still good to get some interesting answers from them.



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06 Jan 2021, 8:12 pm

magz wrote:
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Is it incorrect to assume that women are generally shorter than men, then?
It is politically incorrect... in some circles, probably.
I'm not part of these circles.

Or a fake bit of political correctness dreamed up to discredit any discussion about things that ARE worth correcting?

"Trojan Horse" fake outrage, with no obvious source?



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06 Jan 2021, 11:51 pm

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Where did you get that joke book, anyway?


Just a pic from the internet.

You think I would add a such book to my shelf? 8O



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07 Jan 2021, 7:13 am

Redd_Kross wrote:
magz wrote:
Redd_Kross wrote:
Is it incorrect to assume that women are generally shorter than men, then?
It is politically incorrect... in some circles, probably.
I'm not part of these circles.

Or a fake bit of political correctness dreamed up to discredit any discussion about things that ARE worth correcting?

"Trojan Horse" fake outrage, with no obvious source?
On the Internet, you never know if someone is stupid or sarcastic.

Personally, I've encountered both absurd and productive forms of political correctness. I don't feel obliged to treat both the same way.


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07 Jan 2021, 9:24 am

magz wrote:
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Is it incorrect to assume that women are generally shorter than men, then?
It is politically incorrect... in some circles, probably.
I'm not part of these circles.

Or a fake bit of political correctness dreamed up to discredit any discussion about things that ARE worth correcting?

"Trojan Horse" fake outrage, with no obvious source?
On the Internet, you never know if someone is stupid or sarcastic.

Personally, I've encountered both absurd and productive forms of political correctness. I don't feel obliged to treat both the same way.

So Fnord was launching a Trojan Horse when he complained about it?

I suspect that he was just being momentarily boneheaded. :)

Men are on average larger than women. So its "accurate" to show the putative ancestral couple of the human race as having the same dimorphism (whether the Adam and Eve story happened, or not, it makes sense to 'cast' the two characters that way).



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07 Jan 2021, 9:53 am

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Where did you get that joke book, anyway?
Just a pic from the internet.  You think I would add a such book to my shelf?
Why not?  I have one shelf specifically dedicated to (and labelled as such) "The Evolution of Ignorance".

It is a very small shelf.



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07 Jan 2021, 2:01 pm

Please, let's try not to attribute state of mind to each other. That's bordering getting personal and we don't want it.

Yes, humans are moderately sexually dimorphic, including males being, on average, larger.
As a woman, I don't feel offended by it ;)
Anyway, this little realistic accent in the dinosaur-roamed Eden seems not really the most interesting part of the story ;)


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07 Jan 2021, 3:46 pm

Fnord wrote:
The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Where did you get that joke book, anyway?
Just a pic from the internet.  You think I would add a such book to my shelf?
Why not?  I have one shelf specifically dedicated to (and labelled as such) "The Evolution of Ignorance".

It is a very small shelf.


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07 Jan 2021, 3:48 pm

magz wrote:
Please, let's try not to attribute state of mind to each other. That's bordering getting personal and we don't want it.

Yes, humans are moderately sexually dimorphic, including males being, on average, larger.
As a woman, I don't feel offended by it ;)
Anyway, this little realistic accent in the dinosaur-roamed Eden seems not really the most interesting part of the story ;)


Yeah; the whole pic is too disastrous to nitpick on that.



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07 Jan 2021, 4:03 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Fnord wrote:
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Where did you get that joke book, anyway?
Just a pic from the internet.  You think I would add a such book to my shelf?
Why not?  I have one shelf specifically dedicated to (and labelled as such) "The Evolution of Ignorance".  It is a very small shelf.
I see, you shall know your enemies.
"Opposition", not "enemies".  I see most philosophical, political, and religious groups as opposing teams in a social game, not enemy forces in a global war (at least, not until the shooting starts).  Sure, I have contempt for some; but it is for (a) their over-inflated sense of self-importance and privilege, (b) their lack of cohesive planning and effort, (c) their reliance on false data and faulty reasoning, (d) their poor situational awareness and understanding, and (e) their propensity for oppressing, insulting, and injuring anyone who disagrees with them.



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07 Jan 2021, 5:20 pm

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So these lemonade-making dinosaurs shall be called “Lemonosaurs”.
Nah, Citrosaurus. Closely related to the Tizeratops. :nerdy:


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07 Jan 2021, 5:49 pm

I think that the pages from the book are what is known as a pastiche, an artistic piece of work that imitates the style of another piece of art work, which is often done so out of satirical humour.

I believe that is what this book really is, rather than being a genuine page out of a religious text.

The writing is satirical and making fun out of what they may consider to be flaws in creationists philosophy and how some creationists have interpreted the Bible and Christianity (i.e. the reference to homosexuals etc).

Although there are some smaller sects in some countries which do hold extreme prejudiced opinions on subjects such as homosexuality. However, due to how the artist has depicted the dinosaurs as Adam and Eve's lemonade making buddies in the Garden of Eden, does make me think that the work is satire.

The reason why I believe it is also pastiche as the art work is stereotypical of Christians Children's books, that so many Christian parents buy their kids when they are young children, to help them teach their children about Christianity.

The pictures are also very similar in style of Jehovah Witnesses Watchtower Magazine.
The same style of art work used in all of the Watchtower publications, from their monthly magazines (which are used to teach their weekly Global program to their world of followers), to their many books which cover all sorts of other topics.

So, did i find this page funny, if it was meant to be funny. Yes, I did.
You got to laugh sometimes, even if it is your thing. As some things in life really are funny. Without causing anyone any significant pain or suffering.