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20 Jan 2021, 7:49 pm

I don't really think too much about Israel, but for the life of me, I never understood its special and venerated status among American politicians. Is it strategic? Having an ally and a foothold in a hostile oil-rich region? Is it religious (all the bible prophecy stuff)?

Personally, I think that part of the world was better off under Ottoman rule. Israel doesn't produce much and probably wouldn't be able to survive without American support.



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20 Jan 2021, 8:12 pm

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Israel doesn't produce much and probably wouldn't be able to survive without American support.


31st economy out of 195 countries in the world isn't exactly shabby.
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Overview: In 2018 Israel was the number 31 economy in the world in terms of GDP (current US$), the number 51 in total exports, the number 43 in total imports, the number 25 economy in terms of GDP per capita (current US$) and the number 19 most complex economy according to the Economic Complexity Index (ECI)

https://oec.world/en/profile/country/isr

Considering how small the country is that sounds pretty decent,
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Given Israel’s population of 9.1 million people, its total $58.4 billion in 2019 exports translates to roughly $6,500 for every resident in the Middle Eastern country.


http://www.worldstopexports.com/israels-top-10-exports/

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The latest available country-specific data shows that 71.2% of products exported from Israel were bought by importers in: United States (27.5% of the global total), United Kingdom (8.5%), China (8.1%), Hong Kong (5.1%), Netherlands (3.7%), India (3.4%), Turkey (2.9%), Germany (2.8%), Belgium (also 2.8%), France (2.6%), Brazil (2%) and Switzerland (1.8%).

From a continental perspective, 35.2% of Israel’s exports by value were delivered to European countries while 31.1% were sold to importers in North America. Israel shipped another 27.8% worth of goods to Asia. Smaller percentages went to Latin America excluding Mexico but including the Caribbean (3.3%), Africa (1.2%) then Oceania led by Australia (1.1%).


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21 Jan 2021, 2:59 am

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That said, I also hate (Some) Christians and (Some) Atheists who support the state of Israel.
Like I also hate (Some) Muslims for supporting the state of Iran (or Saudi Arabia etc.).

For example, I hate The Republican Party and its members for supporting such attrocities that happens in the middle east.

I do not want the state of Israel to be wiped off the Earth. It's too important for The West. I'd rather they behaved more properly and civic, and the U.S. and EU forced Israel to become more... civic.

We (in the West) always lay claim on human rights, and criticize other peoples and nations for not having our standards.

Maybe our governments should start taking a look on their own foreign policy?


Actually, most Arabs prefer the US Republic party over Democrats; I am sorry to say it... but most Arabs view US Democrat’s middle eastern policies to be hypocrite and in favor of Iran. They prefer Trump. Arabs are aware that both parties support Israel equally, so no difference regarding that, except that Democrats historically were never in good terms with Arabs and closer to the “Iranian Axis” of the region, we also fear their policy regarding Turkey’s expansionist policy.

This is a small glimpse on how Arabs(those are Lebanese in particular) view the Democrats:

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To sum it up, the Arabs who prefer Trump or Republic party:
- The Gulf Arabs
- The secular Egyptians and even in Sudan
- The syrian secular opposition
- The current ruling body in Iraq
- The seculars in the whole Meghreb area (Tunisia, Morocco, Algeria)
- The anti-Hezbollah Lebanese, the anti-Hamas Palestinians.
- Christian Arabs overall weren’t happy for Trump’s loss.

Those who literally *celebrated* for Biden’s victory as if they got saved:
- Muslim Brotherhood everywhere and their affiliated nations, including Turkey and Qatar(Yes, MB rules both those). That also include the MB in Egypt and Meghreb region.
- The Assad regime in Syria.
- Iran’s proxy militias: Hezbollah, Houthis, Hamas and militias in Iraq.
- The communists.


I am only reflecting reality, I know most members here are democrats but don’t shoot the messenger.



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21 Jan 2021, 4:18 am

ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
I don't really think too much about Israel, but for the life of me, I never understood its special and venerated status among American politicians. Is it strategic? Having an ally and a foothold in a hostile oil-rich region? Is it religious (all the bible prophecy stuff)?


There is a large Jewish population in America.
And, yes, it gives America an influence in the middle east.



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21 Jan 2021, 7:30 am

Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
I don't really think too much about Israel, but for the life of me, I never understood its special and venerated status among American politicians. Is it strategic? Having an ally and a foothold in a hostile oil-rich region? Is it religious (all the bible prophecy stuff)?


There is a large Jewish population in America.
And, yes, it gives America an influence in the middle east.


And America is largely Protestant, the most Jewish-similar Christian school out of all world churches. Catholics and Orthodoxes were never friends of Jews historically. Catholics viewed Jews as "Jesus' killers" while Protestants venerate Jews as the chosen people and heroes of O.T; and venerate the Zionist cause for that very reason. Even to this day, the US and UK are the two friendliest to Jews in general. France, Spain and Italy? not much....

It is ALL about religion originally.



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21 Jan 2021, 7:58 am

From my viewpoint, I’m glad Trump is gone.

I’m not a Democrat.

I am 100% behind the “two-state” solution. It’s only fair.

I hope Biden feels the same way.

I dislike Iran’s government. The Iranian people are cool.



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21 Jan 2021, 12:07 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
Pepe wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
I don't really think too much about Israel, but for the life of me, I never understood its special and venerated status among American politicians. Is it strategic? Having an ally and a foothold in a hostile oil-rich region? Is it religious (all the bible prophecy stuff)?


There is a large Jewish population in America.
And, yes, it gives America an influence in the middle east.


And America is largely Protestant, the most Jewish-similar Christian school out of all world churches. Catholics and Orthodoxes were never friends of Jews historically. Catholics viewed Jews as "Jesus' killers" while Protestants venerate Jews as the chosen people and heroes of O.T; and venerate the Zionist cause for that very reason. Even to this day, the US and UK are the two friendliest to Jews in general. France, Spain and Italy? not much....

It is ALL about religion originally.

Yes that does seem to be true ... that Eastern Orthodoxy, and Roman Catholicism are more hostile to Jews than are Protestant sects.

In the US we have mainline Protestant Churches, and Evangelical Protestants.

There are five or six million Jews in America. A big chunk of World Jewry, though a small part of the US population, who are indeed an interest group that supports Israel. But Evangelical Protestants are a bigger group that also supports Israel. Not that Americans in general are hostile to Israel, but Evangelical are at least as fervent and fanatical about it as Jews themselves, if not more so. Thats because...the End Times are coming!

In the Middle East itself Israelies and Arabs seem to be finnally embracing each other! But only because both groups are loosing control of their bowels in fear of Iran.