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25 Jan 2021, 1:30 am

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Certainly an interesting way to show respect for the current President's request for unity - by taking actions designed to inflame the large portion of the population who voted for Mr Trump...

Then again, I guess he didn't indicate whether "unity" meant "respecting other people's rights to have different opinions, and to work with them towards a common goal", or "Everyone will be united in doing\believing what we say, regardless of whether they wish to or not"...



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25 Jan 2021, 1:38 am

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Ah. Canada. I don't know who is in power in Canada. Is Canada governed similar to how Wales is in the UK?


No idea, as I have no idea how Wales is governed in the UK.

I’d imagine there are similarities considering Canada’s model of government came from the British.

But I have no idea because I have no idea how Wales (or most countries in the world) are governed - especially not the tiny ones with low populations that tend not to be headline news. Super powers like China & Russia, sure I have a little bit of an understanding of how they’re governed. But Wales? I can only make assumptions based on their proximity to England and the system of government we have here.


I think that he means "how is Canada governed in relationship to London England?". Though not part of the UK, Canada is part of the Commonwealth of nations and is a one time part of the old British Empire. And they didnt break away like the US did.

Canada was a group of colonies then became a dominion, and then became a sort of independent country, but still a part of the British Commonwealth. So still tied to Britain. Then they dropped the "British" from the name, and call it "the Commonwealth of Nations" implying that the Commonwealth was less if an empire lite under Britain, and more like the European Union (a union of equals).

Wales became part of the United Kingdom around 1700. But as I understand it- it got subsumed into England,and didnt even have autonomy within the UK the way Scotland has. But recently Wales got promoted to having more autonomy like Scotland always enjoyed. Or ...something.

Anyway ...the parts of the United Kingdom are always changing in their degree of self goverment in the last few decades. Hard for us outsiders to keep track of.



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25 Jan 2021, 2:25 am

Or care about. My own country is like 6,000 km across and I’m sure the other side is a different world. Hard enough to keep track of municipal and provincial crap. Feds back East just do whatever they want and tell us what the rules are. Then the wild Wild West does whatever we want anyways because f**k the feds. 8) Those guys live half a world away and have no idea what the people and culture are like on the West coast. People are going to preserve the coast & forests, oppose pipelines, and smoke weed regardless of what Ottawa says.


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25 Jan 2021, 9:31 am

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Or care about.  My own country is like 6,000 km across and I'm sure the other side is a different world.  Hard enough to keep track of municipal and provincial crap.  Feds back East just do whatever they want and tell us what the rules are.  Then the wild Wild West does whatever we want anyways because f**k the feds.  Those guys live half a world away and have no idea what the people and culture are like on the West coast.  People are going to preserve the coast & forests, oppose pipelines, and smoke weed regardless of what Ottawa says.
Change the word "Ottawa" to "Washington, D.C." and you have also described how things are for us Californians.


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25 Jan 2021, 1:04 pm

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Or care about.  My own country is like 6,000 km across and I'm sure the other side is a different world.  Hard enough to keep track of municipal and provincial crap.  Feds back East just do whatever they want and tell us what the rules are.  Then the wild Wild West does whatever we want anyways because f**k the feds.  Those guys live half a world away and have no idea what the people and culture are like on the West coast.  People are going to preserve the coast & forests, oppose pipelines, and smoke weed regardless of what Ottawa says.
Change the word "Ottawa" to "Washington, D.C." and you have also described how things are for us Californians.



So you live in California. Somehow I thought you lived in the midwest


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25 Jan 2021, 1:12 pm

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Or care about.  My own country is like 6,000 km across and I'm sure the other side is a different world.  Hard enough to keep track of municipal and provincial crap.  Feds back East just do whatever they want and tell us what the rules are.  Then the wild Wild West does whatever we want anyways because f**k the feds.  Those guys live half a world away and have no idea what the people and culture are like on the West coast.  People are going to preserve the coast & forests, oppose pipelines, and smoke weed regardless of what Ottawa says.
Change the word "Ottawa" to "Washington, D.C." and you have also described how things are for us Californians.
So you live in California. Somehow I thought you lived in the midwest
I used to, then I needed a job.  Until I settled here, I never really knew how endemic racism and sexism are to midwestern thinking.  Their leucocentric "That's just the way it is" attitude took on a whole new meaning when the west coast's pancentric "That's not the way it should be" attitude took over.

I would move back to the Midwest if I thought I could put up with all the Trump-worship and Independent Network Charismatic (INC) churches there, but when even family members start talking up their favorite "Antifa" conspiracy theories and proclaiming Trump as the "Chosen One", I know that it is time to come back home to California.


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25 Jan 2021, 1:30 pm

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Or care about.  My own country is like 6,000 km across and I'm sure the other side is a different world.  Hard enough to keep track of municipal and provincial crap.  Feds back East just do whatever they want and tell us what the rules are.  Then the wild Wild West does whatever we want anyways because f**k the feds.  Those guys live half a world away and have no idea what the people and culture are like on the West coast.  People are going to preserve the coast & forests, oppose pipelines, and smoke weed regardless of what Ottawa says.
Change the word "Ottawa" to "Washington, D.C." and you have also described how things are for us Californians.
So you live in California. Somehow I thought you lived in the midwest
I used to, then I needed a job.  Until I settled here, I never really knew how endemic racism and sexism are to midwestern thinking.  Their leucocentric "That's just the way it is" attitude took on a whole new meaning when the west coast's pancentric "That's not the way it should be" attitude took over.

I would move back to the Midwest if I thought I could put up with all the Trump-worship and Independent Network Charismatic (INC) churches there, but when even family members start talking up their favorite "Antifa" conspiracy theories and proclaiming Trump as the "Chosen One", I know that it is time to come back home to California.


It's weird how people can just go along with it just because it's "normal" to them. It's like it never occurs to them it doesn't need to be that way, it can change, they just gotta speak up, use words, not accept it. If people hadn't started protesting and speaking up, women would still be in the kitchen and still not be allowed to work certain jobs or not work at all if they have a wealthy man and men would still be allowed to hit their wives and still be able to put them into institutions. Black people also wouldn't be voting or be allowed to be in the same spaces as whites and sit next to you on the bus or use the same restroom as you and drinking fountain.

When you have privilege you don't even need to worry about these things and when it gets challenged, you feel threatened. "Oh those whiny snowflakes, those SJWs. They wanna take our rights."


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25 Jan 2021, 1:34 pm

Melania secretly paid for it.


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25 Jan 2021, 1:57 pm

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Melania secretly paid for it.
If true, it would not surprise me in the least.


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25 Jan 2021, 1:59 pm

Brictoria wrote:
Certainly an interesting way to show respect for the current President's request for unity - by taking actions designed to inflame the large portion of the population who voted for Mr Trump...

Then again, I guess he didn't indicate whether "unity" meant "respecting other people's rights to have different opinions, and to work with them towards a common goal", or "Everyone will be united in doing\believing what we say, regardless of whether they wish to or not"...


Everyone can work towards common goals without having to cooperate on EVERY issue. Americans can work towards a long litany of common goals without the need to make "let trump have a free pass" one of those goals. It's a lovely all-or-nothing fallacy, but there's no reason it has to be that way, as convenient as it may be for your point. It also feels like it's being implied that holding trump accountable for his actions equates to attacking the people that voted for him, which is also not true, but sure makes your point look like it has some semblance of cohesion, so I get why you went there.

Making "unity" equivalent to forgiving trump sounds way too much like when abusive people want to "move on" from all the nasty things they did to you in the name of "healing".

Saying we MUST forgive trump cos it might hurt the pwescious widde feewings of the people who can't separate themselves from their representatives to the extent that they take anything directed at them, deserved or not, as a personal attack, is essentially a "hecklers veto" - controlling behavior with threat of a tantrum.

Americans can UNIFY behind covid precautions. Or UNIFY behind reforming healthcare. Or UNIFY behind rebuilding the economy. Letting the orange menace off the hook is "forgiveness" that sets a precedent. That you can get away with all kinds of criminal activity as long as you set the building on fire on the way out, since putting out the fire will override the need to "blame" people.

Funny how locking people up is so totally divisive, unless it's a democrat, and then NOT locking them up is divisive. Can't seem to pick which foot to stand on, can they...



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25 Jan 2021, 3:29 pm

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Melania secretly paid for it.


:lol:

Probably a strategy to get him all riled up and flustered so divorce proceedings go her way sooner rather than later.


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25 Jan 2021, 4:48 pm

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Melania secretly paid for it.


:lol:

Probably a strategy to get him all riled up and flustered so divorce proceedings go her way sooner rather than later.

Or he strokes out.


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25 Jan 2021, 5:54 pm

Schadenfreude is all great and that but the man is living the life of luxury, people are still talking about him just as he wants and I am sitting here typing about it on a website. So ummmm.


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25 Jan 2021, 5:58 pm

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Schadenfreude is all great and that but the man is living the life of luxury, people are still talking about him just as he wants and I am sitting here typing about it on a website. So ummmm.


But wait, there’s more!

He may face criminal charges and actual jail time. Some intelligence agency guy a few years back was quoted on the news as saying “He will die in jail,” re: mr. trump. He may in fact have been correct. The whole world is just popping corn and watching the show unfold to see how far he falls from the top of his trump tower empire. 8)


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25 Jan 2021, 6:00 pm

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Schadenfreude is all great and that but the man is living the life of luxury, people are still talking about him just as he wants and I am sitting here typing about it on a website.  So, ummmm...
But wait, there’s more!  He may face criminal charges and actual jail time.  Some intelligence agency guy a few years back was quoted on the news as saying “He will die in jail,” re: Mr. trump.  He may in fact have been correct.  The whole world is just popping corn and watching the show unfold to see how far he falls from the top of his trump tower empire.
In the meantime, Donnie-boy's clientele is quietly departing the SS Mar-A-Lago like rats leaving a sinking ship...


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25 Jan 2021, 6:03 pm

Fnord wrote:
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Schadenfreude is all great and that but the man is living the life of luxury, people are still talking about him just as he wants and I am sitting here typing about it on a website. So ummmm.
In the meantime, Donnie-boy's clientele is departing the SS Mar-A-Lago like rats leaving a sinking ship...


And THI$ i$ why enough republicans might opt to convict him of his crimes this time around. It’s become toxic to do business with the orange guy, and if siding with him means losing their big money donors then they’ll cut him loose and convict him vs latch their political career futures to his coattails any longer.


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