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31 Jan 2021, 2:25 pm

Interesting that so many pro life people in the States only care about the first nine months of a baby's existence, but after it's born they don't care one bit about how much it suffers or dies young because the parents never wanted it. They don't care if it gets left in a dumpster with it's umbilical cord and placenta still attached because the mother didn't even see it as a living human being even before it was born. Also these pro life people usually are very pro gun.

So, it's only before you're born that you're worth anything. Niiiice. :roll:



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31 Jan 2021, 2:28 pm

Birth control isn’t 100%, condoms break and even getting your tubes tied can fail.Teens make errors in judgement, especially if alcohol or drugs are involved.13 year old girls shouldn’t be forced to have babies, and how would a boy the same age pay child support?
Rape , women with medical conditions that make pregnancy dangerous ,and victims of incest should always have the right to choose.
Some conservatives complain about welfare moms having more kids to collect government benefits.Then on the other hand tell them they can’t have an abortion to limit their family size.


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31 Jan 2021, 2:31 pm

lostonearth35 wrote:
Interesting that so many pro life people in the States only care about the first nine months of a baby's existence, but after it's born they don't care one bit about how much it suffers or dies young because the parents never wanted it. They don't care if it gets left in a dumpster with it's umbilical cord and placenta still attached because the mother didn't even see it as a living human being even before it was born. Also these pro life people usually are very pro gun.

So, it's only before you're born that you're worth anything. Niiiice. :roll:

Exactly, if they truly cared then why are so many kids in foster care waiting for a forever home that never comes?


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31 Jan 2021, 3:51 pm

The people i refured too don't make good parents as most just leave there kids with a relative and go out partying. But i do believe in abortion if i was a bad situation that had caused the person to become pregnant.



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31 Jan 2021, 4:32 pm

Misslizard wrote:
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Interesting that so many pro life people in the States only care about the first nine months of a baby's existence, but after it's born they don't care one bit about how much it suffers or dies young because the parents never wanted it. They don't care if it gets left in a dumpster with it's umbilical cord and placenta still attached because the mother didn't even see it as a living human being even before it was born. Also these pro life people usually are very pro gun.  So, it's only before you're born that you're worth anything...
Exactly, if they truly cared then why are so many kids in foster care waiting for a forever home that never comes?
Another oft-overlooked argument is the large population of homeless people dying in those same "back alleys" and dumpsters previously mentioned.

And what about death-row inmates?  It seems obvious that the "Right-to-Life" do not give a damn what happens to them, despite their repetitious recital of their "All Human Life Is Precious" mantra; hence, the Right-To-Life crowd's "All Human Life Is Precious" mantra is just another lie.

Having the "Right to Life" obviously does not guaranty that, once born, a human life is still "precious".


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31 Jan 2021, 5:04 pm

Sometimes I thought it was quite strange as to why it's called pro-life.

The right to live should at least be tied to the right to live well.
But more like pro-survive and stay medically alive. :lol:
Technically it conforms the definition of life, but not living. Not really. Not in this era, supposedly.

And it just ends there. Which is a more god-fearing approved 'moral' and an easier way out.
I would know. Cause of the cases of overpopulation around here. :twisted: But I won't get to that.

I understand I can be so strange or even seemingly mistaken the logic of a lot of ideas.
But I tend to see a lot of pro-life as pro-choice themselves. :lol:
Cause technically they chose to pro-life and uphold it.

But what are the odds that isn't fully their choice?
Did they fear some moral obligation or thought it's on the side of social norm to end up upholding such ideal? :o



Still. Does really it boil down to sexual activity and matters related to that?
It's a part I do not truly understand nor ever appreciated in any way yet.


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31 Jan 2021, 5:24 pm

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... Still.  Does really it boil down to sexual activity and matters related to that?  It's a part I do not truly understand nor ever appreciated in any way yet.
It all boils down to the idea that women choosing what happens to their bodies is somehow a threat to men's traditionally dominant place in society.

Believe it or not, there was a time not too long ago when a man could be assured of having a wife by getting a girl pregnant and enduring a "shotgun" wedding (which happened more often than most people of my parents' generation liked to admit -- I am the result of one such marriage).  Once she was tied down by having to care for a child, her husband could be assured that his house would be clean, his laundry done, his kids fed and quiet, and his supper warm and ready for him as soon as he got home.

Because if he came hold to a messy house, sick children, dirty laundry, and no supper, he could slap her around a few times to "get her back on the right track" and get away with it.

(Sickening, isn't it?)

But with the development of The Pill, women could suddenly be in almost total control of their reproductive lives.  Suddenly, a man had almost no control at all over when -- or if -- his wife became pregnant.  "Shotgun" weddings became rarer, and women gained more self-determination as more and more of them earned college degrees and started lucrative careers before getting married.  Some of them did not even get married at all!

(Shock! Horrors!)

What could possibly be more of a threat to a "traditional" man who never went to college than a woman who did, and who also refuses to have his babies (unless it is the same woman refusing to have sex with him)?


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31 Jan 2021, 5:36 pm

I find it a ironic possibility that some who are adamantly pro-choice might not even exist today, if say, their mother or father decided they had made a mistake and decided to abort. Without that safeguard of that held value there's gonna be lot of dead babies (ya know they cant take care of themselves )piling up in the trash dumpsters (or wherever they dispatched). Its not unusual for parents to hate their fetus/child and find them an inconvenience. Just face it murder is murder. just because its a defenseless bag of protoplasm, its still a living thing you brought in to the world. I don't think people want to face that though. That's too much of inconvenient truth. a ugly reality t be swept under the carpet. their rigid ideology dictates for the moment that such things are not only excusable but good and proper. And they will reach for any justification they can to rationalize callously exterminating their own offspring. Disposable society. Disposable humans. Personally my parents loved me (and still love me) and are pro-life or otherwise i wouldn't be here, and i'm grateful that was the case.


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31 Jan 2021, 5:45 pm

Thalidomide.

Untold numbers of "Thalidomide Babies" were born without arms, legs, or faces because they were conceived during a time when abortion was criminalized.  Some died shortly after birth, some died after years of suffering, and many were given up for adoption and never found a home.

All in the name of "Morality".


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31 Jan 2021, 6:16 pm

Pro-life in and of itself has nothing to do with misogyny and sensible, secular pro-life advocates exist and support birth control. And as I said, many of those people are women.
It's just people who believe a developing child should be given a chance at life.
I wouldn't outlaw abortion for practical reasons, but it should not be the end goal. The focus should be on sex ed, available birth control and improving foster care.



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31 Jan 2021, 6:25 pm

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Thalidomide.

Untold numbers of "Thalidomide Babies" were born without arms, legs, or faces because they were conceived during a time when abortion was criminalized.  Some died shortly after birth, some died after years of suffering, and many were given up for adoption and never found a home.

All in the name of "Morality".


All in the name of big profit for big pharma. "Morality" had nothing to do with. Thalidomide was rushed to market , and people were treated like guinea pigs, because it was profitable and expedient. Im' sure the businessmen, salesmen, chemical engineers, all had "morality" on their mind when they concocted and packaged that sht.


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31 Jan 2021, 7:37 pm

theprisoner wrote:
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Thalidomide.  Untold numbers of "Thalidomide Babies" were born without arms, legs, or faces because they were conceived during a time when abortion was criminalized.  Some died shortly after birth, some died after years of suffering, and many were given up for adoption and never found a home.  All in the name of "Morality".
All in the name of big profit for big pharma. "Morality" had nothing to do with. Thalidomide was rushed to market , and people were treated like guinea pigs, because it was profitable and expedient. Im' sure the businessmen, salesmen, chemical engineers, all had "morality" on their mind when they concocted and packaged that sht.
While the profit motive explains why the drug was rushed to market, it does not explain why women were forced to bring their deformed fetuses to full term.  THAT required a legal and social environment based on what passed for "morality" -- a male-dominated Christian fundamentalism in which women's bodies were not their own, and women were not legally permitted to make their own reproductive choices.


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31 Jan 2021, 7:58 pm

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If abortion is made illegal, more deaths will occur, because more women will have dangerous back alley abortions.

My grandma's generation and a bit of my parents' was banned from abortion and contraceptives due to the Romanian communism regime. Horrible horrible things happened as a result. Many women died or ended in jail for performing abortions on themselves, the hospitals took mercy and performed abortions in secret sometimes.

Grandma sometimes tells me about an awful event, she went up on the hill near the woods and met up with a nurse or something and she bled profusely, it was all without any kind of anesthesia. That person told her to never come to her again for help because she might die, she got scared.
Her young son supported her as she walked back home as she was very weakened.


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31 Jan 2021, 8:01 pm

Spartans. Don't forget the Spartans.


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31 Jan 2021, 8:04 pm

The numbers of orphans grew considerably in those times topping the charts and we had the USA help us with finding homes for them, checking up with the parents and immediate family after a while to see if they can accept them back and have money and proper conditions and if i recall correctly getting other countries to adopt.
We had awful orphanages with very limited space.

There were a lot runaway orphans living on the streets doing drugs, getting pregnant themselves.


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31 Jan 2021, 8:11 pm

Rexi wrote:
My grandma's generation and a bit of my parents' was banned from abortion and contraceptives due to the Romanian communism regime.  Horrible horrible things happened as a result.  Many women died or ended in jail for performing abortions on themselves, the hospitals took mercy and performed abortions in secret sometimes.

Grandma sometimes tells me about an awful event, she went up on the hill near the woods and met up with a nurse or something and she bled profusely, it was all without any kind of anesthesia.  That person told her to never come to her again for help because she might die, she got scared.  Her young son supported her as she walked back home as she was very weakened.
I have also listened to the stories told by women of my grandparents' generation describing similar events in their lives and the lives of others.  These horrible things occur everywhere that women's reproductive control is taken from them, even in modern times.  There simply is no "moral" justification for the so-called "morality" that dictates a woman's body is not her own.


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