Are you ashamed of parts of your country's history?

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01 Mar 2021, 3:26 pm

IMO history from before anyone currently on the planet was born is not something to be ashamed of, but to be learned from so as to not make the same mistakes again

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01 Mar 2021, 3:53 pm

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IMO history from before anyone currently on the planet was born is not something to be ashamed of, but to be learned from so as to not make the same mistakes again

Well said.

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01 Mar 2021, 4:10 pm

Any election of Merkel. No country deserves such a disgrace.

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01 Mar 2021, 4:50 pm

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I have none. Every country on Earth has had people, groups or governments who have done terrible things. We need to learn from it and move on.

Am I ashamed of the Native American genocide?

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01 Mar 2021, 4:52 pm

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IMO history from before anyone currently on the planet was born is not something to be ashamed of, but to be learned from so as to not make the same mistakes again

Agreed.
Keep an eye open for any totalitarian government which is repeating history.

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01 Mar 2021, 5:14 pm

Nope. Why would I be? Wasn't me, wasn't anything to do with me, wasn't voted for by me, and whether I wanted any part of my country's history to happen or not I don't have the power to make it happen or not happen.

What a leader of a country n years ago, probably before I was born, somebody who I never would've known or had any contact with or ability to direct or coerce, happened to do with their position of power is nothing whatsoever to do with me.

Same applies to any number of generations of even my own family. I don't know of any instances of my ancestors committing any atrocities, but even if they had then it wouldn't be my responsibility. I couldn't have told them to do it, or not do it, or have any impact at all, so it wasn't my fault and it shouldn't be my concern.

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01 Mar 2021, 10:37 pm

I'm ashamed that my white ancestors took 90% of the land away from the First Nations Canadians. I'm ashamed of the way that First Nations children were sent to boarding schools and expected to be able to speak English, right off the bat.

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01 Mar 2021, 11:04 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

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For me, regret is a better word than shame. Along with that is knowing we must do better in the present and future than our predecessors had done in the past.

I don't mean to be unsympathetic, but most of us here have a huge 'cross to bear' already.
Many of us are simply trying to keep our head above water.

Well, there's no need to bear that cross if you personally have done nothing wrong. You said you were made to feel guilty because your family is part German. Well, my family is mostly German, and I'm proud of that. Sure, Germany had done terrible things in the past, but nothing that I'm responsible for. There's a lot more to German history than the Holocaust.

Agreed.
BTW, I was referring to mental issues, anxiety, loneliness, social dissociation...

I have no disagreement with that.

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01 Mar 2021, 11:06 pm

quite an extreme wrote:

Any election of Merkel. No country deserves such a disgrace.

What's wrong with Angela?

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01 Mar 2021, 11:22 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

quite an extreme wrote:

Any election of Merkel. No country deserves such a disgrace.

What's wrong with Angela?

She has scheiße policies.
She isn't looking after the German people.

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01 Mar 2021, 11:38 pm

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

quite an extreme wrote:

Any election of Merkel. No country deserves such a disgrace.

What's wrong with Angela?

She has scheiße policies.
She isn't looking after the German people.

I'm sure her voters would say otherwise.

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02 Mar 2021, 12:31 am

I feel like my autism tremendously inhibits feelings of *shame*.

I am more like a ROBOT.

Robots don't feel much shame.

I think this is why autistic people are said to be resistant to group-think, and may speak their minds, despite, perhaps, having unpopular/non-PC opinions.

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02 Mar 2021, 12:35 am

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

quite an extreme wrote:

Any election of Merkel. No country deserves such a disgrace.

What's wrong with Angela?

She has scheiße policies.
She isn't looking after the German people.

I'm sure her voters would say otherwise.

I haven't been following German politics, but I heard a snippet about her barely winning the last election.
From memory, her popularity has been severely depleted.

Myrtle Merkel the Turtle needs to go, I think. :mrgreen:

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02 Mar 2021, 12:49 am

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Pepe wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

quite an extreme wrote:

Any election of Merkel. No country deserves such a disgrace.

What's wrong with Angela?

She has scheiße policies.
She isn't looking after the German people.

I'm sure her voters would say otherwise.

I believe that's true. Y'know what they say: familiarity breeds contempt. And she's been in public service for a very long time.

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02 Mar 2021, 1:36 am

No 'cause I didn't do anything. I am slightly ashamed of how little I know about the dark parts of my country's history, though. I should study more.

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02 Mar 2021, 9:28 am

Pepe wrote:

Mr Reynholm wrote:

I have none. Every country on Earth has had people, groups or governments who have done terrible things. We need to learn from it and move on.

Am I ashamed of the Native American genocide?

Are you? I have no way of knowing. I am saddened that it happened but since I wasn't involved in it, not ashamed.

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