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16 Mar 2021, 1:42 pm

League_Girl wrote:
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Well, then I will have to admit to engaging in "Odorism" -- I refuse to have anything to do with people who smell like they have never bathed, brushed, nor wiped themselves properly.  Shame on me.
I am confused how this is even related to voiceism and how do these two compare?  Or are you just objecting to a new label and are fine with the other ones like xenophobia and ableism and we don't need a separate label for how people talk? This is what the thread is about.
How they compare...

Voiceism is lack of tolerance for people who speak and say words differently than others due to foreign accent, speech impediment, and they judge you based on how you talk.

Odorism is lack of tolerance for people who smell differently than others due to diet, smoking, improper hygiene, or medical condition (i.e., Trimethylaminuria), and they judge you based on how you smell.

It comes down to judging others based on how they impact our senses.
But I find it very offensive for the comparison because voice is not something I can control and many others with it. I was bullied for it too. If I had control, I would have simply just stopped "talking funny" and "talk normal again." Are you implying people choose to talk funny? I hope not or I would be very disappointed in you because I would have thought you were better than this.
No, I am not saying that speech impediments are funny.  I am saying that the way our senses are impacted -- the way we perceive others through our senses -- has a lot to do with how we treat others.  Some people's vocal pitch and volume put me off completely (I am fascinated by accents and languages, though); some people's perfume (or lack thereof) puts me off as well; and I understand completely where Howie Mandel is coming from with his mysophobia.
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Smell and odor is something we can control.
Not always.  Have you looked up Trimethylaminuria?  Let me tell you first-hand, it is not something that can easily be controlled, especially when it is triggered by the hormonal changes of puberty and adolescence, even with diet and pills, the aroma still lingers, and people bullied me for it.  I eventually grew out of it, but I developed my own strong aversion to unpleasant odors and a near-obsession with person hygiene.

I did not mean to jack the thread.  I thought I was contributing.

I will go away now.



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16 Mar 2021, 1:47 pm

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Not always.  Have you looked up Trimethylaminuria?  Let me tell you first-hand, it is not something that can easily be controlled, especially when it is triggered by the hormonal changes of puberty and adolescence, even with diet and pills, the aroma still lingers, and people bullied me for it.  I eventually grew out of it, but I developed my own strong aversion to unpleasant odors and a near-obsession with person hygiene.


That's a pretty good example of aversion being internalized. One party hurts another, the injured party goes on to inflict that pain upon the next person. Mind you, that injured party might also break the cycle, even if they carry the strong aversion so long as they're more concerned about how it felt to be treated that way then they are with enforcing what was enforced against them.



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16 Mar 2021, 1:54 pm

There's also classism that plays a part.

I'm going to be honest, because I was bullied by kids with strong accents local to their area & I have the (I've read somewhere this is typical of aspie kids) RP accent, I developed that prejudice as a kid & it's hard to shake.

There is a man who every day at about 4pm yells/talks loudly his conversation in a broad (local) accent coming down my street. Even within my house, it makes me uncomfortable to hear him.

I fear it in a different way to how I'd fear strong RP (I've heard strong RP accents before once or twice around here, not normal, neutral sounding ones but - royal accents?). Strong RP makes me think 'that person will judge me'. Strong local accent makes me think (and I know this is prejudice but it's hard to shift) 'that person will rob from me or cause physical violence against me, this is a nice neighbourhood so they can't be local'.

Before I was bullied, I didn't mind local accents at all. Now I fear that people affect them in order to sound tough.

I'm aware it's a prejudice I need to overcome.

I hate people who shout anyway and make no apologies over that one. Unless it's a disability like deafness or a ND trait like autism, there's no excuse. It's a sign of taking up more space than other people - saying that your own voice is more important then their desire for quiet or to be heard amongst the people they're actually talking to.


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17 Mar 2021, 3:19 am

Folks judge you by how you speak. That includes dialect. Includes other things. Just the way it is.

Stigmatizing folks who stigmatize folks (by labeling them as 'voicist') isnt going to change that.