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21 Mar 2021, 7:42 pm

Well I didn't mean to be racist... But well yeah it came across that way...

My late husband was Cuban... He tried hard to pass as White, he has light skin and he started calling himself "George" instead of Jorge and dropped half his last name... The most Hispanic sounding half, Garcia.

But he had a Cuban accent and didn't speak English perfectly, so as soon as he opened his mouth he was discriminated against...


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23 Mar 2021, 12:17 pm

I would say that some people take “political correctness” too far, e.g. some neurotypicals who have apparently deemed “Asperger’s” a politically incorrect term. Same logic applies to white people who insist that something is offensive to *insert group of colored people* when the thing is actually by and larger not considered offensive by the ethnic group in question. I guess this could could really apply to any majority group that decides something is offensive to a minority group rather than the minority group making this decision for themselves. Granted though, I feel like when majority groups do this they still usually mean well...

The people who b***h and moan about political correctness though, are usually full of hate, at least in my experience. They complain about their “free speech” being regulated as more and more minority groups are given a voice and saying many types of slurs about them becomes widely seen as less acceptable. There are fewer and fewer groups they can get away with punching down on.



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23 Mar 2021, 12:57 pm

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I just got booted out of an Autism group for using the words "African American" and not even in a negative way, in fact I said something nice and I got slammed for being a racist as it was explained to me, because it's racist to mention someone's race in ANY context...

But the same group did a lot of NT bashing which was pretty acceptable...

So I got kicked out of the group because I mentioned a nice African American guy playing a game with me, while at the same time the entire group was like "NTs this and NTs that"

OMG I mean... Okay I'm liberal but this is too far...

OMG now I have people attacking me by PMing me, and my liberal cousins don't want anything to do with me...

It was explained to me that you can't assume anyone race by looking at them... And nobody under any circumstances shouldn't be called a certain race.

Someone even mentioned it's offensive to assume gender too...
I thought what you posted was just more of the crazy Michigan culture wars until I read this...
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Facebook group, and it was explained to me they deleted their posts because FB doesn't allow those terms in their group... Groups are being deleted for just mentioning the words "African American" for example...
I am so glad that I left Michigan AND Facebook years ago!



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23 Mar 2021, 2:27 pm

Ditto on Facebook ...... !


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23 Mar 2021, 8:21 pm

From what I get I presume you used the word "race"?
Often the preference is ethnicity or "ethnic group" because the word "race" is unPC and also what is the context, whether someone's "race" has anything to do with the discussion, if it's irrelevant, I can see the problem there.

I understand the preference of the wording and the relevance but when they go far... yeah, political correctness and 'cancel culture' are a pain in the ass.



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23 Mar 2021, 8:38 pm

How would one describe a person of African descent? The alternative and its related terms certainly wouldn't be the correct answer.

Is describing someone as a "Polish-American" racist? Or even disparaging to the Polish ethnic group?

This "woke" stuff sometimes goes way too far.



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23 Mar 2021, 8:52 pm

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How would one describe a person of African descent? The alternative and its related terms certainly wouldn't be the correct answer.

It's really tedious, if you care that is, to try to not "offend" anybody with a simple word, whether is "afro" or "african" or "black" or whatever, like you would have the time and energy for not trying to offend everybody.



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23 Mar 2021, 10:00 pm

This maybe politically incorrect, but my biology class in high school refers to the humanoid species
Aswell as having the sub genus of Caucasoid, aswell as Negroid, had forgotten what Asiatic persons genus was?
Am quite sure there are various other geniuses and sub species of which , I am not familiar with. But those are the ones , I can recall . So if your running out of ways to refer to people of various descents , am supposing the scientific ones might be appropriate ? OR Not ????


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24 Mar 2021, 3:58 am

I knew from my teen years and in my early twenties that if you describe anyone by their skin color, that is racist. Notice how we never do that with white people?

"I played video games with my friend, he is white." Why do we do this with different skin color? I even noticed it in the media too. Only exception is if we are looking for a suspect or someone who is missing.


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24 Mar 2021, 8:10 am

Jakki wrote:
This maybe politically incorrect, but my biology class in high school refers to the humanoid species
Aswell as having the sub genus of Caucasoid, aswell as Negroid, had forgotten what Asiatic persons genus was?
Am quite sure there are various other geniuses and sub species of which , I am not familiar with. But those are the ones , I can recall . So if your running out of ways to refer to people of various descents , am supposing the scientific ones might be appropriate ? OR Not ????


Except those terms aren't scientifically correct, they're based on an obsolete understanding that was never correct. That understanding of humanity doesn't sync with the genetic evidence. There's more genetic diversity within Africa than outside of it. All of the ethnic groups that exist outside of Africa are genetically part of the same group that includes East Africans.

Genetics supports the idea of three groupings, but they're basically West Africa, South Africa and East Africa (and everyone else).



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24 Mar 2021, 8:25 am

Am not sure I follow, what your saying from a scientific point of veiw? Am not sure if you meant to imply ,
That Caucasoid species doesn’t exist and we are all based on African descent and a minority? Of others?
Am not understanding your statement about obsolete ? Based on biology or what ?


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24 Mar 2021, 8:28 am

Jakki wrote:
Am not sure I follow, what your saying from a scientific point of veiw? Am not sure if you meant to imply, That Caucasoid species doesn’t exist and we are all based on African descent and a minority? Of others? Am not understanding your statement about obsolete ? Based on biology or what ?
"Caucasoid" is not a species, it is a word attached to a collection of inheritable traits common to one loosely-related race of humans.  There is no such thing as the "Human Race", either.  Humans are a species, composed of many inter-fertile races.  "Race" is to "Human" as "Breed" is to "Dog".



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24 Mar 2021, 8:36 am

Caucasoid breed ? Of the hominid species? Or humanoid ?


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24 Mar 2021, 8:51 am

Jakki wrote:
Am not sure I follow, what your saying from a scientific point of veiw? Am not sure if you meant to imply ,
That Caucasoid species doesn’t exist and we are all based on African descent and a minority? Of others?
Am not understanding your statement about obsolete ? Based on biology or what ?


The way relatedness is determined is based on genetic similarity.

Older methods that used more superficial traits are no longer current because they weren't based on a good understanding of relatedness.

There is no 'Caucasoid species' and the peoples of the Americas and Eurasia are part of the same genetic grouping that includes people from East Africa.

Haplogroups M and N are associated with Western and Eastern Eurasians, both are derived from L3 which originates in East Africa. Based on this, yes, all not-Africans trace (the bulk of) their ancestry to one population group within Africa.



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24 Mar 2021, 8:56 am

Jakki wrote:
Caucasoid breed ? Of the hominid species? Or humanoid ?
A member of the Caucasian race of the human species is human, not "humanoid".

You have never studied Linnaean Taxonomy, have you?



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24 Mar 2021, 9:24 am

Nope ...never heard of it . Sorry ...... and this discussion is beginning to sound a bit secular in schools of thought .
Am not sure if am dealing with an inherent bias , at this point . But I must plead ignorance , as am merely repeating what had been termed to me by my biology instructor . It does feel as though information has been left out of this
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