Daddy63 wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
which addresses NONE of my points.
My point is they already have ID and can already vote if they take that personal responsibility.
Are you suggesting they don't already have ID, aren't capable of getting an ID or won't take the personal responsibility to get an ID to ensure fair elections?
Oh boy, good ol' "personal responsibility", where
anything is possible if you just try hard enough
You assume that the only reason someone wouldn't have an ID is due to lacking "personal responsibility".
But lets look at what it takes to get an ID. A naïve child would say "duh, an ID is only $20". But it really isn't. Ignoring for a moment the necessary documents to get a state issued ID and the complications and expenses associated with them, you still need to go to the DMV or tax office that handles the licenses. You have to have a car, with gas and insurance, gas to spare to go there, and money to spare to pay for the gas, in addition to the license. If you don't have a car, that's a bus or a taxi. Both have associated costs. In all cases, you have to make the drive there. That takes time. If you're taking the but, that takes even more time. Government agencies are open 9-5. People tend to work 9-5. Now you have to pick between getting a license, and earning money for that day, cos you have to take off work. Depending on where you live, you could be over an hour away from the nearest office. And all that is assuming you even make enough money where any of this is viable, since many families live paycheck to paycheck, or on credit, with no disposable income to the point where even the ability to get an ID or spare the time to vote is too big a luxury to be afforded. But sure, people just don't try hard enough, or take "personal responsibility"
Personal responsibility is important, sure, when it comes to things the individual has control over, pertaining to reasonable situations. Personal responsibility means the consequences of my actions fall on my shoulders. MY actions, not the actions of others. To extend beyond that would be to imply that the victim of bullying is the only one responsible for their bullying, rather than allowing any expectation on the bully to not bully. Some people seem to treat "personal responsibility" to the extreme where if you're holding my head under water, it's MY fault for not growing gills.
The less you know about the world, the simpler it seems.
And no, everyone does NOT have an ID. There may be a long list of things that require them, but there are many people who don't have ID's, and as a result, don't do those things. You just assume they do them. Many people do things in much harder ways, because they still have to do them, but don't have ID's.