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24 Apr 2021, 10:36 pm

When people say “Antifa”, my guess is that they’re referring specifically to far-left anarchists, rather than anyone who merely opposes fascism.


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24 Apr 2021, 10:55 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
When people say “Antifa”, my guess is that they’re referring specifically to far-left anarchists, rather than anyone who merely opposes fascism.


They are attempting to tar the entire democrat support base with the same brush. A few people loot a store during BLM protests and everyone at the protest (and by proxy all democrat supporters) are labelled anti-American. The reality is that the handful of vandals are more likely using the protests to either i) make trouble and/or ii) opportunistically use the protest to loot like back in the 1990s LA riots.

The vast majority of people labelled as antifa or BLM are civil minded and are sincerely interested in progressive social change and justice for victims of police shootings and their families.



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25 Apr 2021, 3:53 am

Speaking of Andy Ngo, he reported that prominent Antifa member Joseph Alcoff and his two cohorts and finally going to be on trial.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/13 ... 97670?s=20

I'm really looking forward to it.



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25 Apr 2021, 5:45 am

I'm afraid Andy Ngo lives in an alternate reality where he thinks he's a far right white man in his fight against antifa
https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-a ... real-enemy



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25 Apr 2021, 5:13 pm

Antifa and the alt right are great for each other and bad for most of the rest of us.

Antifa is a few hundred people with outsized influence because.

Similar to Black Lives Matter they have an easily understood message. How can one oppose anti-fascism and therefore Antifa unless one is a Faciast(sarcasm)

Government officials in certain places like Portland and Seattle enable them. They basically conceded part of their downtowns to them for extended periods either because they are afraid of them or sympathize with them or both.

As mentioned Conservatives by constantly making them the next coming of the communist revolutions of the early 20th century, you know if you say it often enough.

In the meantime, the real revolution happening of the takeover of HR departments in influential companies and the top colleges and prep schools where the next leaders will come from critical race theory and the like go relatively unnoticed because of Antifa, Antifa, Antifa. Easier to go after a bunch of privileged anarchists, and cry over canceled Disney actresses than go after people who are more politically astute and committed then you, and have a plan and mean it.


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25 Apr 2021, 5:44 pm

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Large scale intimidation and thuggery was on display on the streets of Boston this weekend as antifa and other extreme leftists bullied and harassed anyone they deemed divergent from their groupthink. They spit and punched and yelled hateful things at law enforcement and by Saturday night there were 36 arrests and 4 injured officers, according to Boston police. Nine people face charges of assault and battery on police officers.

Our elected leaders need to call out antifa for what they are: a hate group.

https://www.bostonherald.com/2019/09/03 ... hat-it-is/



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26 Apr 2021, 12:03 am

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What in the heck is wrong with being anti-fascist, anyway?

Everything Cyberdad said. MAGA gets to kill a lot of birds with one stone.
And it's so easy!
Take any sort of vandalism, any kind of violence, anything negative, and give it a name.
Call it Antifa: now anti-fascists are the bad guys, and fascists are the good guys!
Call it BLM: now African Americans and people who support them are the bad guys, and racists are the good guys!
Do this repeatedly. Do this relentlessly.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

If you've ever read Mein Kampf, it's the same tactic that Adolf Hitler used against the Jews.


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26 Apr 2021, 3:58 am

SabbraCadabra wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
What in the heck is wrong with being anti-fascist, anyway?

Everything Cyberdad said. MAGA gets to kill a lot of birds with one stone.
And it's so easy!
Take any sort of vandalism, any kind of violence, anything negative, and give it a name.
Call it Antifa: now anti-fascists are the bad guys, and fascists are the good guys!
Call it BLM: now African Americans and people who support them are the bad guys, and racists are the good guys!
Do this repeatedly. Do this relentlessly.
"If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it."

If you've ever read Mein Kampf, it's the same tactic that Adolf Hitler used against the Jews.


Steven Bannon is openly fascist and was Trump's main strategist and likely told him to stoke the fires of right wingers leading to the Charlottesville riots and ultimately (despite Bannon's fall from grace) paved the way for the MAGAs breaking into the capitol building like stomtroopers or brownshirts.



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26 Apr 2021, 7:13 am

Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.



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26 Apr 2021, 8:25 am

:lol: Oh dear...


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26 Apr 2021, 8:28 am

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony!

:lol: C'mon now, lad!  Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!


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26 Apr 2021, 8:44 am

Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony!

:lol: C'mon now, lad!  Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!

No irony here. Antifa uses violence and threats to achieve its political goals (goals that just so happen to be the same as the Democrats).



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26 Apr 2021, 2:17 pm

Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony!

:lol: C'mon now, lad!  Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!


It IS funny, isn't it? How people are apparently more than capable of grasping the concept that labels don't actually define content when hooting and howling about how "antifa just CALL themselves that!" - but go full amnesia "who what huh?" when confronted with other things that have labels that differ from the content.

It's the same baloney as the double standard where "if they're wearing an antifa shirt, CLEARLY they're antifa terrorists!" - but if they're wearing a MAGA shirt, CLEARLY THEY'RE STILL ANTIFA, IN DISGUISE!! !"

So basically everyone is actually the imaginary badguy boogeyman in disguise, like a villain from scooby-do. How convenient! Everything is actually antifa in disguise!! !

They say "well, the LiBeRaL ElItEs uses welfare programs to control minorities so..." and don't even realize that just from that, they're already neck-deep in regurgitating talking points brought to you by the Ku Klux Klan. Good job!

They say "yeah but, the liberal media..." hey neat, more Klan stuff.

"But Jeff Bezos is..." still Klan stuff.

All the Klan did was replace "jews and blacks" with "liberal elites" and "minorities" to make it sound more "acceptable". These antifa-are-the-REAL-fascists talking points lead right back to the same Klan rhetoric. "Antifa" and "BLM" are just the newest additions to the list of alternative words to "the blacks" - and you'll notice that "antifa" and "BLM" are supposedly under the control of "liberal elites" or "The Left" - stand-ins for "the jews". Who do they point at when they say liberal elites and The Left? Jeff Bezos (jewish) Bernie Sanders (jewish sOcIaLiSt!! !) AOC (minority). I'M SURE that's JUST WILD COINCIDENCE...

"Liberalism will destroy us!" is THE OLDEST anti-Semite slogan around. Between Christianity and Judaism, Judaism is far more liberal. And that liberality was a threat to Christian beliefs, when it ran contrary. Especially regarding sex and other taboos. The fact that Judaism isn't as uptight and allows things that Christianity doesn't was a threat to Christianity's way. Judaism directly contradicted Christian doctrine at many turns. It goes way deeper than that, but that's basically where it comes from to a large extent.

Best of all, someone will inevitably try to claim that what I've said is nothing more than an absurd imaginative conspiracy - and the far more plausible story is the "Liberal A-Blue-Minatti are secretly controlling the world already, and only tucker carlson and mike lydell can save us! EVERYONE is lying except for Skynews and OAN!! !" :roll:



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26 Apr 2021, 5:33 pm

Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony!

:lol: C'mon now, lad!  Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!

No irony here. Antifa uses violence and threats to achieve its political goals (goals that just so happen to be the same as the Democrats).


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27 Apr 2021, 12:15 am

uncommondenominator wrote:
"if they're wearing an antifa shirt, CLEARLY they're antifa terrorists!"

There's an Antifa shirt?? Why didn't I get one when I completed my membership?


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27 Apr 2021, 3:50 am

Pepe wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Mr Reynholm wrote:
Antifa are fascists. Like so many leftist organizations they use double think and name their organization the opposite of what it really is.
Oh, the irony!

:lol: C'mon now, lad!  Pull me other one ... it's got bells on!

No irony here. Antifa uses violence and threats to achieve its political goals (goals that just so happen to be the same as the Democrats).


:thumright:


"But Antifa and Democrats...!" Still Klan stuff... :wink:

It's still Klan rhetoric, just sanitized with "antifa" instead of "minorities / blacks" and "democrats" instead of "liberal elites / jews". Wake me up when you come up with a new talking point.

"BuT aNtIfA aNd DeMoCrAtS..." :roll:

Maybe if you click your ruby slippers together and say "There's no place like AnTiFa AnD DeMoCrAtS!" it'll come true. Or chant "I believe in aNtIfA aNd DeMoCrAtS!" while clapping, and it'll come back to life! Oh! I know! Write "AnTiFa AnD dEmOcRaTs!" on a slip of parchment and toss it into the goblet if fire!

Whatever fancy words you try to use, it's still gonna boil down to the age-old Klan talking point, "blacks and jews"...