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06 May 2021, 5:54 am

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Do people think it was worth going after the organization that caused 9/11 or not really?

And how about the organization that nurtured and them, I am thinking about you Saudi Royal Family.


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06 May 2021, 8:00 am

My theory regarding Saddam, is that if the Iraq war never happened, he would have likely been overthrown during the Arab Spring.

Baathism is a form of the same pan-Arab Socialist Nationalism that was espoused by the other leaders that fell at the time (Mubarak, Gadhafi, et al). Aside from the monarchies, only Lebanon, Mauritania and Sudan did not espouse pan-Arabism. Bashar al-Assad is the only Arab nationalist still in power.


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06 May 2021, 8:09 am

Well, we got the poppy fields running, again. Laundering drug money is very profitable for the banks.


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06 May 2021, 12:23 pm

ASPartOfMe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Do people think it was worth going after the organization that caused 9/11 or not really?

And how about the organization that nurtured and them, I am thinking about you Saudi Royal Family.


Weren’t the Taliban and Mujahideen nurtured by the US intelligence against the Soviets too?



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06 May 2021, 12:29 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
My theory regarding Saddam, is that if the Iraq war never happened, he would have likely been overthrown during the Arab Spring.

Baathism is a form of the same pan-Arab Socialist Nationalism that was espoused by the other leaders that fell at the time (Mubarak, Gadhafi, et al). Aside from the monarchies, only Lebanon, Mauritania and Sudan did not espouse pan-Arabism. Bashar al-Assad is the only Arab nationalist still in power.



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06 May 2021, 1:18 pm

How much of Syria does Assad actually rule anymore?

Had the impression that Syria was split up between a dozen waring factions. Each with its own territory. And that he was like each of the others, and just controlled one tiny part of the country.

I suppose with both ISIL and with Kurds crushed he might have regained more territory.



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06 May 2021, 2:28 pm

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A generation of women grew up free of the the Taliban.

https://apnews.com/article/taliban-middle-east-lifestyle-business-382e4015ae741a1acb450bcbe78ada39


True.

Sad thing is that that may all go down the tubes now when Kabul falls to the Taliban again (like Saigon fell a couple of years after we left).



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06 May 2021, 4:00 pm

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Well, we got the poppy fields running, again. Laundering drug money is very profitable for the banks.

There's oil, too. The US were backing a pipeline project in the South. I'm guessing that will be destroyed on the way out, so the Taliban can't benefit from it? But in the meantime someone made some money off the build.



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06 May 2021, 7:05 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
ironpony wrote:
Do people think it was worth going after the organization that caused 9/11 or not really?

And how about the organization that nurtured and them, I am thinking about you Saudi Royal Family.


Weren’t the Taliban and Mujahideen nurtured by the US intelligence against the Soviets too?

The Taliban and Mujahideen did not directly attack the U.S. The hijackers were not Afghans.

What Americans can’t admit is that we work for the Saudis not the other way around.


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06 May 2021, 8:16 pm

Would it have been better if the US didn't go into Afghanistan at all, or do a large number of Americans think that Al Quaida still deserved it for 9/11?