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07 Aug 2007, 4:46 pm

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God has never spoken to me
and according to the bible he hates me for how I was BORN
I didn't choose to be how I am I was BORN this way
Alex speaks to me because he is real God doesn't because he is fake


You don't have to tell me -- I'm not offended whether you believe or not. I'm secure in what I have, so I don't need to bother other people. I am required to tell people about God, but that's as far as my duties or interests go.


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07 Aug 2007, 4:53 pm

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well.... i can meet alex in person so i know he's real...


You can meet the actor that Alex has hired to play him in real life. The real Alex is the ghost in the machine.



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07 Aug 2007, 4:58 pm

well I am not interested
if God loves his children clearly the GLBT commuinity was left out (or so I am told)
yeah...the religious nut bags say were damned and that we should change to what THEY want in the name of God
well that dont sound like a loving God to me
I am proud of who I am, I'm a good person
I dont need some ass hole in a collar telling me I will brun forever for loving someone :roll:



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07 Aug 2007, 5:00 pm

TheMachine1 wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
well.... i can meet alex in person so i know he's real...


You can meet the actor that Alex has hired to play him in real life. The real Alex is the ghost in the machine.


hahahahahaha! :lol: "May the spirit of Alex be with you, as you cope with AS."


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07 Aug 2007, 5:02 pm

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well I am not interested
if God loves his children clearly the GLBT commuinity was left out (or so I am told)
yeah...the religious nut bags say were damned and that we should change to what THEY want in the name of God
well that dont sound like a loving God to me
I am proud of who I am, I'm a good person
I dont need some ass hole in a collar telling me I will brun forever for loving someone :roll:


Well, if you twist the meanings of several words, as you just did, sure you can come up with a cruel God. Those who want the truth seek it out, even when it conflicts with their lifestyle (as it does everyone's).


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07 Aug 2007, 5:06 pm

well religions (espeically the one I was raised on) states homosexuals and the like are evil and are going to hell
now...I will not fallow something that judges me on how I was born
and they say its Gods word-then thats what I go by and I wont worship something I ama gainst
I wont worship anything-why should I, I dont need a book to live by and an overlord to tell me I am a sinner and will go to hell unless I am saved :roll:
I respect christians-my parents are christians
but I will not fallow it myself-or listen to them trying to tell me I'm wrong and they're right



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07 Aug 2007, 6:04 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
well.... i can meet alex in person so i know he's real...

but god doesnt seem to like that sort of thing

so i dont see how this analogy works.


I can meet God in person, too, just not yet. And it will probably be more of a mind-blowingly awesome and real experience than meeting Alex.

But also, as far as being able to meet Alex in the present life, I hear you can meet A LOT of interesting people if you take some LSD -- none of whom are real. Alex doesn't speak to my heart and give me a peace that exceeds all understand, like God does. So, Alex is less real than God is to me, even though I still believe he exists.


your logic is flawed...... im not talking about waiting to die to meet someone. i mean here... now.

you'll prolly never meet me ever.... here and definitely not in the afterlife.

the rest is associative semantics.


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07 Aug 2007, 6:06 pm

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Sedaka wrote:
well.... i can meet alex in person so i know he's real...


You can meet the actor that Alex has hired to play him in real life. The real Alex is the ghost in the machine.


dang....

i want my own actor so i can leave this machine

how do i go about fanagling that?


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07 Aug 2007, 9:09 pm

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well religions (espeically the one I was raised on) states homosexuals and the like are evil and are going to hell
now...I will not fallow something that judges me on how I was born
and they say its Gods word-then thats what I go by and I wont worship something I ama gainst
I wont worship anything-why should I, I dont need a book to live by and an overlord to tell me I am a sinner and will go to hell unless I am saved :roll:
I respect christians-my parents are christians
but I will not fallow it myself-or listen to them trying to tell me I'm wrong and they're right


If God did make you, does that give Him any rights over you? If you built a machine, and it walked away from you and gave you the finger, wouldn't that seem kind of illogical?


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07 Aug 2007, 9:11 pm

f**k no
if he did make me why'd he make me bi
then tell his peons I am a sinner just by being born?



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07 Aug 2007, 9:18 pm

Sedaka wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
well.... i can meet alex in person so i know he's real...

but god doesnt seem to like that sort of thing

so i dont see how this analogy works.


I can meet God in person, too, just not yet. And it will probably be more of a mind-blowingly awesome and real experience than meeting Alex.

But also, as far as being able to meet Alex in the present life, I hear you can meet A LOT of interesting people if you take some LSD -- none of whom are real. Alex doesn't speak to my heart and give me a peace that exceeds all understand, like God does. So, Alex is less real than God is to me, even though I still believe he exists.


your logic is flawed.

Then what are those points doing atop my ears? :o
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..... im not talking about waiting to die to meet someone. i mean here... now.



I've mentioned I relate with Him every single day -- it's a spiritual communion. You yourself are spiritual, and have mentioned that you hold spiritual beliefs, so you can understand what I'm referring to.
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you'll prolly never meet me ever.... here and definitely not in the afterlife.

the rest is associative semantics.


I can't, nor do I have to prove God. I know He's real, He gave me my free salvation, so I'm set.

One can make a loose analogy between ANY two things, depending on how loose it is, and that's what I was doing.


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07 Aug 2007, 9:27 pm

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f**k no
if he did make me why'd he make me bi
then tell his peons I am a sinner just by being born?


Kilroy, I can truthfully say a perfectly similar thing: "Why'd He make me really, really horny, then give me an abusive wife who I had to divorce for safety's sake, then make me realize I'm maritally incompatible with everyone else, and then write in His Word that sex outside of marriage is wrong?" Don't you think I'm REALLY sexually frustrated by that prohibition from sex? And by the likelihood that I'll NEVER HAVE SEX AGAIN? I've got PLENTY to be frustrated with God about.

But I see regular glimpses of why He's right, and I see His protection in that prohibition.


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07 Aug 2007, 10:01 pm

okay-then why-if he exists and created me
does he f*****g hate me for being born?!
I didn't effing choose to be this way
no gay person does!
none-and I dont care what a bunch of guys in hats say
I never had faith in God ever (when i thought he was real)



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07 Aug 2007, 10:08 pm

Ragtime wrote:
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Ragtime wrote:
Sedaka wrote:
well.... i can meet alex in person so i know he's real...

but god doesnt seem to like that sort of thing

so i dont see how this analogy works.


I can meet God in person, too, just not yet. And it will probably be more of a mind-blowingly awesome and real experience than meeting Alex.

But also, as far as being able to meet Alex in the present life, I hear you can meet A LOT of interesting people if you take some LSD -- none of whom are real. Alex doesn't speak to my heart and give me a peace that exceeds all understand, like God does. So, Alex is less real than God is to me, even though I still believe he exists.


your logic is flawed.

Then what are those points doing atop my ears? :o
Sedaka wrote:

..... im not talking about waiting to die to meet someone. i mean here... now.



I've mentioned I relate with Him every single day -- it's a spiritual communion. You yourself are spiritual, and have mentioned that you hold spiritual beliefs, so you can understand what I'm referring to.
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you'll prolly never meet me ever.... here and definitely not in the afterlife.

the rest is associative semantics.


I can't, nor do I have to prove God. I know He's real, He gave me my free salvation, so I'm set.

One can make a loose analogy between ANY two things, depending on how loose it is, and that's what I was doing.


i wouldnt even describe you as circular.... how about a benzene ring... you got about 6 points that you fixate around and your surface is not flat


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07 Aug 2007, 11:07 pm

Kilroy wrote:
f**k no
if he did make me why'd he make me bi
then tell his peons I am a sinner just by being born?


Silly boy, Alex didn't create you.



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07 Aug 2007, 11:12 pm

calandale wrote:
Kilroy wrote:
f**k no
if he did make me why'd he make me bi
then tell his peons I am a sinner just by being born?


Silly boy, Alex didn't create you.

Thank Alex... I mean Thank God.


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