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12 Jul 2021, 6:08 am

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Besides, Red Voice Media (from where your article originated) is an extremely questionable media resource, as it exhibits extreme right-wing bias, consistent promotion of right-wing propaganda and conspiracies, little or no vetting of their information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or fake news -- which is, in any case, the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence.


The best way to understand another person\group is to talk to them or their supporters - A person (or group) with a known animosity towards the group is rarely going to understand the reason\beliefs of the group, and is much more likely to put forward "reasons" whch align with this animosity (including severely distorted explanations) than anything with a factual basis.

So, those who want to understand why many right-wing (for the most part - there are also a number of neutral and left-leaning people who also express similar sentiments) people believe the 2020 elections were rigged would be best advised to make use of "right-wing media" - That doesn't mean what is presented there should be taken as "true" (the same applies for all media sources), but it will provide a more accurate insight into those people's beliefs than a source (person, group, or media organisation) that continually denigrates those people that others wish to understand.

:D Have a nice day!



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12 Jul 2021, 8:14 am

Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Besides, Red Voice Media (from where your article originated) is an extremely questionable media resource, as it exhibits extreme right-wing bias, consistent promotion of right-wing propaganda and conspiracies, little or no vetting of their information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or fake news -- which is, in any case, the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence.
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Your posts are also among those which I have found are not worth reading.



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12 Jul 2021, 8:51 am

Fnord wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Besides, Red Voice Media (from where your article originated) is an extremely questionable media resource, as it exhibits extreme right-wing bias, consistent promotion of right-wing propaganda and conspiracies, little or no vetting of their information, a complete lack of transparency, and/or fake news -- which is, in any case, the deliberate attempt to publish hoaxes and/or disinformation for profit or influence.
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Your posts are also among those which I have found are not worth reading.


And yet, you went to the effort to search out the posts by myself and Soliloquist in order to "quote" them, just to say you don't read the posts...

This comes across more as being unable to refute the content of the posts you don't agree with and then trying to cover for this with assertions you "don't read" them, rather than not having read them...



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12 Jul 2021, 9:47 am

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And by the way, I did not read what you posted because I almost never read any articles you post.


The OP might be worth reading, it isn't really about ballot dumps or voting machines or any of that, if that is what you imagine. It's mainly about other incidents, now proven false from 2016-2020, the period leading up to the 2020 election that has completely disillusioned the old fashioned civic-minded patriot who once believed in the integrity and fairness of the system. Those same folk who are now so willing to embrace the possibility of fraud, even if definitive proof is not yet available.


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12 Jul 2021, 9:52 am

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And by the way, I did not read what you posted because I almost never read any articles you post.
The OP might be worth reading [...]
Considering the source of the article, that is very doubtful.



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12 Jul 2021, 10:03 am

Our elections have been rigged for years, and I'm talking about voter fraud. They're rigged against anyone good actually landing the nomination.

If you're not a corporate tool, if you won't support endless wars for profit, you will be taken out. Look at what happened to Tulsa Gabbard last year. Once her popularity soared, the establishment sharks and their water carriers in the media, circled and attacked.

In one debate, she eviscerated Kamala Harris and took her out of the contest by exposing her horrific record as attorney general in California. Gabbard didn't last long after that.


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12 Jul 2021, 10:11 am

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Our elections have been rigged for years [...]. They're rigged against anyone good actually landing the nomination. [...]
They are rigged against poor people and those who do not tow either of the main party lines.

Even a multi-millionaire like Ross Perot could not overcome the Party Machines.



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12 Jul 2021, 10:29 am

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Our elections have been rigged for years [...]. They're rigged against anyone good actually landing the nomination. [...]
They are rigged against poor people and those who do not tow either of the main party lines.

Even a multi-millionaire like Ross Perot could not overcome the Party Machines.


Ross Perot was just too weird, he never would had a chance. Somebody more presentable could have won. But now they do everything in their power to keep third-party and independent candidates out of the debates.

Some years ago, Jessie Ventura ran as an independent in a bid for the Minnesota governorship. He was only polling at about 10%. But after the debate, his numbers soared. He won!

Now they do everything they can to keep all candidates who are a threat to the oligarchs out of the process.


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12 Jul 2021, 10:33 am

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Our elections have been rigged for years [...]. They're rigged against anyone good actually landing the nomination. [...]
They are rigged against poor people and those who do not toe either of the main party lines.  Even a multi-millionaire like Ross Perot could not overcome the Party Machines.
Ross Perot was just too weird, he never would had a chance. Somebody more presentable could have won. But now they do everything in their power to keep third-party and independent candidates out of the debates.  [...]  Now they do everything they can to keep all candidates who are a threat to the oligarchs out of the process.
We agree on these key points.



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12 Jul 2021, 11:58 am

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It does not call for the press to be one sided. The press are supposed to be neutral and should report on what they see and hear equally from both sides.


And if one side is batshit insane and the other isn't, how should the media report on that?


The do's and don'ts of what is a neutral position are recieved in their training. Rarely do I see these followed. They used to only report on what they see and hear and report on both sides equally and fairly. I have not seen this for some time.



I can't say about the USA, but in the UK the MSM is overwhelmingly centre right to right wing . Yet you still have conservatives whinging like spoilt brats that they're being cancelled and censored.



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12 Jul 2021, 1:22 pm

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Mountain Goat wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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It does not call for the press to be one sided. The press are supposed to be neutral and should report on what they see and hear equally from both sides.
And if one side is batshit insane and the other isn't, how should the media report on that?
The do's and don'ts of what is a neutral position are recieved in their training. Rarely do I see these followed. They used to only report on what they see and hear and report on both sides equally and fairly. I have not seen this for some time.
I can't say about the USA, but in the UK the MSM is overwhelmingly centre right to right wing . Yet you still have conservatives whinging like spoilt brats that they're being cancelled and censored.
You can also be accused of "cancelling" someone simply for NOT reading or listening to what they have to say.

Someone recently showed me a political screed written by some clueless and incoherent far-right activists.  I refused to read it.  The person with the document then accused me of "cancelling" the writers.

The the mere fact that someone else has something to say does not obligate me to read or listen to it, especially if that someone is known to be racist, sexist, or a fan of heavily contrived and convoluted conspiracy theories.



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12 Jul 2021, 3:28 pm

Fnord wrote:
firemonkey wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Mountain Goat wrote:
It does not call for the press to be one sided. The press are supposed to be neutral and should report on what they see and hear equally from both sides.
And if one side is batshit insane and the other isn't, how should the media report on that?
The do's and don'ts of what is a neutral position are recieved in their training. Rarely do I see these followed. They used to only report on what they see and hear and report on both sides equally and fairly. I have not seen this for some time.
I can't say about the USA, but in the UK the MSM is overwhelmingly centre right to right wing . Yet you still have conservatives whinging like spoilt brats that they're being cancelled and censored.
You can also be accused of "cancelling" someone simply for NOT reading or listening to what they have to say.

Someone recently showed me a political screed written by some clueless and incoherent far-right activists.  I refused to read it.  The person with the document then accused me of "cancelling" the writers.

The the mere fact that someone else has something to say does not obligate me to read or listen to it, especially if that someone is known to be racist, sexist, or a fan of heavily contrived and convoluted conspiracy theories.


It makes for a nice little catch-22 in the process. The same "freedom of screech" fanatics have a funny way of saying both "If you don't like what you're hearing, you can leave!" but also "Oh, so you're going to ignore it just cos you don't LIKE it?!" and use "being open to new ideas" as a code for "buy into my bull$hit!" - and if you don't accept their ideas just for the telling, you're being "closed minded" - which is a lark coming from people who want everyone to believe what they believe, and make no attempt to broaden their minds as they lecture others to do - they don't NEED to be openminded - they already know The Truth!

I've been accused of "canceling" someone and "shutting them down", for hearing them out completely, and then WHEN ASKED what I thought, disagreeing with them and explaining why.

If they're so "censored" and "canceled" and "silenced" and "muzzled", then how come we can still HEAR them and SEE them, endlessly whining and piddling and moaning about it? Like, all the time, literally on network tv and stuff.



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12 Jul 2021, 3:40 pm

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I've been accused of "canceling" someone and "shutting them down", for hearing them out completely, and then WHEN ASKED what I thought, disagreeing with them and explaining why.


Not agreeing with me is the worst form of cancel culture. :clown:


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12 Jul 2021, 3:55 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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I've been accused of "canceling" someone and "shutting them down", for hearing them out completely, and then WHEN ASKED what I thought, disagreeing with them and explaining why.
Not agreeing with me is the worst form of cancel culture. :clown:
I disagree. :P



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12 Jul 2021, 4:01 pm

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Our elections have been rigged for years, and I'm talking about voter fraud. They're rigged against anyone good actually landing the nomination.


It's called gerrymandering.

Old electroal boundaries were drawn to favour the conservative/wealthy voters and reduces the impact of progressive/poorer voters.

Oldest trick in the book.



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12 Jul 2021, 4:07 pm

A system where for a long time you've had to be a multi-billionaire to run for election, and they're worried about the last election being somehow rigged.