14 Jul 2021, 7:22 pm
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the Reich Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
I haven't seen anyone from the "Right" complaining about it...
I'm curious why the "Left" aren't up in arms about it, given their reaction when the "Right" try similar policies, though...
I didn't have the mental energy to read through the entire thread, but you are very methodical, and I trust what you say.
I think this is another case of the misrepresentation of the situation.
Another straw man?
Sounds like it.
Oh, my!
Credibility points lost, so it seems.
14 Jul 2021, 7:30 pm
VegetableMan wrote:
Business as usual on the border. Nothing really changes, especially the perception that Dems are actually different.
I beg to disagree.
From what I have heard, the problem is even bigger than under the administration of the orange unmentionable.
Oh, my!
The same thing happened here in Australia.
The Indonesians said to the Australian Labor government, who was in charge at the time, that Australia needed to stop putting "sugar" on the table that encouraged illegal entry attempts.
Rudd, (and Gillard?) *finally* accepted this and implemented measures to discourage the people trafficking trade.
14 Jul 2021, 9:01 pm
15 Jul 2021, 7:30 am
15 Jul 2021, 7:47 am
15 Jul 2021, 10:51 am
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the Reich Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
I haven't seen anyone from the "Right" complaining about it...
I'm curious why the "Left" aren't up in arms about it, given their reaction when the "Right" try similar policies, though...
I didn't have the mental energy to read through the entire thread, but you are very methodical, and I trust what you say.
I think this is another case of the misrepresentation of the situation.
Another straw man?
Sounds like it.
Oh, my!
Credibility points lost, so it seems.
It's interesting how the "left" seem to have no issue with the policy - No public outrage in the media, and on this site all they manage is the strawman you noted, and an attempt to go off-topic talking about "causes" for policies, rather than the policies themselves, which was the topic under discussion...
It certainly has all the hallmarks of the "side", not the principle, being the only item of importance.
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15 Jul 2021, 1:09 pm
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the[/color] Reich [color=black]Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
Please point out where any reich-winger has complained.
I only see people pointing out the hypocrisy/double standards.
Certainly Biden doesn't appear to be a big improvement compared to Trump on this one issue.
It's not surprising that people who don't prioritize this issue aren't calling Biden out over it, it's not important enough to them and they'd argue he's an improvement in other areas they do care about.
I'm not sure it's hypocrisy for those people to have nothing to say, just like you can fairly say you're not complaining about the issue, just curious.
Out of curiosity, did any posters here actually treat this like a pet issue or was it only ever one of many criticisms of the previous admin?
15 Jul 2021, 5:49 pm
Brictoria wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Brictoria wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the Reich Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
I haven't seen anyone from the "Right" complaining about it...
I'm curious why the "Left" aren't up in arms about it, given their reaction when the "Right" try similar policies, though...
I didn't have the mental energy to read through the entire thread, but you are very methodical, and I trust what you say.
I think this is another case of the misrepresentation of the situation.
Another straw man?
Sounds like it.
Oh, my!
Credibility points lost, so it seems.
It's interesting how the "left" seem to have no issue with the policy - No public outrage in the media, and on this site all they manage is the strawman you noted, and an attempt to go off-topic talking about "causes" for policies, rather than the policies themselves, which was the topic under discussion...
It certainly has all the hallmarks of the "side", not the principle, being the only item of importance.
Some people let their emotions get in the way of reason.
How many times do some people have to be caught out in misrepresenting the Truth?
I really don't understand how little some people care about their credibility.
And it is all there in black&white, after all, for all to see.
Hyperpartisanship.
15 Jul 2021, 5:52 pm
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the[/color] Reich [color=black]Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
Please point out where any reich-winger has complained.
I only see people pointing out the hypocrisy/double standards.
Certainly Biden doesn't appear to be a big improvement compared to Trump on this one issue.
It's not surprising that people who don't prioritize this issue aren't calling Biden out over it, it's not important enough to them and they'd argue he's an improvement in other areas they do care about.
I'm not sure it's hypocrisy for those people to have nothing to say, just like you can fairly say you're not complaining about the issue, just curious.
Out of curiosity, did any posters here actually treat this like a pet issue or was it only ever one of many criticisms of the previous admin?
I might interact with you in greater depth, some time down the line, but not yet.
Consider yourself "lucky" that I have even read your post.
Some people are "dead to me".
16 Jul 2021, 7:48 am
16 Jul 2021, 8:11 am
16 Jul 2021, 3:51 pm
Mr Reynholm wrote:
We ought to negotiate an exchange program with Cuba. We will trade our America hating Marxists like Bernie, AOC, Colin Kappernick, Joy Bahar for an equal number of their people who love America and want to be free.
"Sounds like a plan."
If people hate America so much, they should leave.
Simples.
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16 Jul 2021, 4:15 pm
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the[/color] Reich [color=black]Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
Please point out where any reich-winger has complained.
I only see people pointing out the hypocrisy/double standards.
Certainly Biden doesn't appear to be a big improvement compared to Trump on this one issue.
It's not surprising that people who don't prioritize this issue aren't calling Biden out over it, it's not important enough to them and they'd argue he's an improvement in other areas they do care about.
I'm not sure it's hypocrisy for those people to have nothing to say, just like you can fairly say you're not complaining about the issue, just curious.
Out of curiosity, did any posters here actually treat this like a pet issue or was it only ever one of many criticisms of the previous admin?
I might interact with you in greater depth, some time down the line, but not yet.
Consider yourself "lucky" that I have even read your post.
Some people are "dead to me".
I don't care how you choose to interact or not interact with me. I respond because for a self-proclaimed non-binary thinker you're very prone to binary understandings of nuanced issues and perspectives rooted in those understandings. I'm pointing this out for other posters so that when you dismiss people you disagree with as hyper-partisan or binary thinkers that it's already understood it's just the pot calling out the kettle and nothing more serious.
Also, disagreeing with conservatives or having different goals from them doesn't mean one hates their country, it just means one has a different perspective from the reactionaries. This is an example of that flawed binary thinking.
18 Jul 2021, 3:23 am
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Fnord wrote:
I wonder why people on the[/color] Reich [color=black]Right are complaining about Biden blocking "Asylum Seekers" when just a couple of years ago, the same people were bragging about Trump blocking "Illegal Immigrants".
Please point out where any reich-winger has complained.
I only see people pointing out the hypocrisy/double standards.
Certainly Biden doesn't appear to be a big improvement compared to Trump on this one issue.
It's not surprising that people who don't prioritize this issue aren't calling Biden out over it, it's not important enough to them and they'd argue he's an improvement in other areas they do care about.
I'm not sure it's hypocrisy for those people to have nothing to say, just like you can fairly say you're not complaining about the issue, just curious.
Out of curiosity, did any posters here actually treat this like a pet issue or was it only ever one of many criticisms of the previous admin?
I might interact with you in greater depth, some time down the line, but not yet.
Consider yourself "lucky" that I have even read your post.
Some people are "dead to me".
I don't care how you choose to interact or not interact with me. I respond because for a self-proclaimed non-binary thinker you're very prone to binary understandings of nuanced issues and perspectives rooted in those understandings. I'm pointing this out for other posters so that when you dismiss people you disagree with as hyper-partisan or binary thinkers that it's already understood it's just the pot calling out the kettle and nothing more serious.
Also, disagreeing with conservatives or having different goals from them doesn't mean one hates their country, it just means one has a different perspective from the reactionaries. This is an example of that flawed binary thinking.
Examples?
Just saying something doesn't make it true.
