Well, Trump was working for the Russians all along.
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So perhaps "useful idiot" for the Russians is more appropriate than "working" for the Russians...
He got Trump elected, which was enough for Donny, once he got comfortable in the Oval Office.
How did he do that?
Seriously? I think Russian troll farms, that had divided and swayed American political opinion, are common knowledge. That includes attacks on the Clinton campaign from Russia, which Trump accepted as help, despite how it came from a foreign enemy against an American citizen.
That still provides zero evidence that Putin got Trump elected.
It certainly shows Russian intelligence helped Trump. And the fact that he did accept help means he risked being compromised by the Russians.
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So perhaps "useful idiot" for the Russians is more appropriate than "working" for the Russians...
He got Trump elected, which was enough for Donny, once he got comfortable in the Oval Office.
How did he do that?
Seriously? I think Russian troll farms, that had divided and swayed American political opinion, are common knowledge. That includes attacks on the Clinton campaign from Russia, which Trump accepted as help, despite how it came from a foreign enemy against an American citizen.
That still provides zero evidence that Putin got Trump elected.
It certainly shows Russian intelligence helped Trump. And the fact that he did accept help means he risked being compromised by the Russians.
But it still doesn't prove that Putin got Trump elected, just that there was an attempt to do so. You're offering conjecture. not facts to back up your claim.
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You may want to read the article a bit better:
As was plainly noted in the first line, the document's source is not confirmed.
The source MAY be true, but it could just as eaily be a fabrication - After all, the contents of previous documents\reports containing similar claims (Steele Dossier, for instance) have been put forward as being "true", only to later be found to have been fabrications...
The Steele Dossier has been accused of being a fabrication by Trump and his worshipers, but that is not accepted by everyone.
Yes, I did read the article closely, and if true it confirms the charges made against Trump by Mueller and others that the man pulling Donny's strings was Russian spymaster extraordinaire, Vladimir Putin.
It's not just "Trump and his worshipers" who consider it a fabrication:
Now the glow has faded — from both the dossier and its promoters. Russia, as Mr. Steele asserted, did try to influence the 2016 election. But many of the dossier’s most explosive claims — like a salacious “pee” tape featuring Mr. Trump or a supposed meeting in Prague between Michael Cohen, Mr. Trump’s former attorney, and Russian operatives — have never materialized or have been proved false. The founders of Alfa Bank, a major Russian financial institution, are suing Fusion GPS, claiming the firm libeled them. (Fusion has denied the claims.) Plans for a film based on Mr. Steele’s adventures appear dead.
Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/05/15/business/media/spooked-private-spies-news-media.html
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Yes, people like Carter Page suffered some fallout from the Steele dossier. I think I see the public as a much bigger victim. I mean, I would not have devoted as much time to the dossier as I did unless I thought there was a larger social, public ramification to it. And to me, what the dossier came to represent was how the work of these private operatives is subsumed into a hyperpartisan media and becomes this narrative that half of the public believes and half of the public doesn’t believe.
You point to a lot of lapses of reporting on Christopher Steele and the dossier, such as the McClatchy story placing Michael Cohen’s cell-phone signal in Prague and the Guardian story about a meeting between Paul Manafort and Julian Assange. Have any fellow journalists responded?
Not specifically. People who got it wrong are not really raising their head over the parapet at this point and saying, “Yeah, I got it wrong and here’s why I got it wrong.” But my purpose in writing was not to point to specific journalists and say, “You! Stand up against the wall! It’s time to confess!” It was really to point out that we as journalists — and I still very much consider myself as a journalist — need to reassess how we engage with hired spies and private operatives. I mean, [the Steele-dossier reporting] was a travesty. It is our job and it’s always been our job as journalists to scrutinize information. And that didn’t happen here. People jumped onto this train for a variety of reasons, be it political, professional, emotional, or what have you, and it ran straight into a wall.
Source: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/07/steele-dossier-was-case-study-in-journalistic-manipulation.html
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How come people are still affected by Donald Trump long after he lost his presidential status?
Is it because no one can imagine that he could actually become president of the united states?
That is not so hard to imagine as you might think:
First of all: he is surrounded with beautiful women (wife and daughter).
Second: he was already super powerful and super rich.
Third: he is widely known as a selfmade man.
Fourth: he has always been known to be able to be completely relentless if he needs to be.
Is it so hard to imagine that a lot of ordinary people consider this as traits of a real natural leader?
On top of that: a lot of people were not at all convinced that Hillary Clinton would be a suitable president.
So WHY is it so hard to imagine that Trump could have actually made it without any support from Russia?
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So perhaps "useful idiot" for the Russians is more appropriate than "working" for the Russians...
He got Trump elected, which was enough for Donny, once he got comfortable in the Oval Office.
How did he do that?
Seriously? I think Russian troll farms, that had divided and swayed American political opinion, are common knowledge. That includes attacks on the Clinton campaign from Russia, which Trump accepted as help, despite how it came from a foreign enemy against an American citizen.
That still provides zero evidence that Putin got Trump elected.
It certainly shows Russian intelligence helped Trump. And the fact that he did accept help means he risked being compromised by the Russians.
But it still doesn't prove that Putin got Trump elected, just that there was an attempt to do so. You're offering conjecture. not facts to back up your claim.
Putin attempted to get Trump elected. Trump got elected. Trump enacts Pro-Russian policies that are detrimental to America and her allies. If Trump didn't feel indebted to Putin, why the said Pro-Russian policies?
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So perhaps "useful idiot" for the Russians is more appropriate than "working" for the Russians...
He got Trump elected, which was enough for Donny, once he got comfortable in the Oval Office.
How did he do that?
Seriously? I think Russian troll farms, that had divided and swayed American political opinion, are common knowledge. That includes attacks on the Clinton campaign from Russia, which Trump accepted as help, despite how it came from a foreign enemy against an American citizen.
That still provides zero evidence that Putin got Trump elected.
It certainly shows Russian intelligence helped Trump. And the fact that he did accept help means he risked being compromised by the Russians.
But it still doesn't prove that Putin got Trump elected, just that there was an attempt to do so. You're offering conjecture. not facts to back up your claim.
Putin attempted to get Trump elected. Trump got elected. Trump enacts Pro-Russian policies that are detrimental to America and her allies. If Trump didn't feel indebted to Putin, why the said Pro-Russian policies?
What were those "Pro-Russia policies?"
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Is it because no one can imagine that he could actually become president of the united states?
That is not so hard to imagine as you might think:
First of all: he is surrounded with beautiful women (wife and daughter).
Second: he was already super powerful and super rich.
Third: he is widely known as a selfmade man.
Fourth: he has always been known to be able to be completely relentless if he needs to be.
Is it so hard to imagine that a lot of ordinary people consider this as traits of a real natural leader?
On top of that: a lot of people were not at all convinced that Hillary Clinton would be a suitable president.
So WHY is it so hard to imagine that Trump could have actually made it without any support from Russia?
Trump isn't a self-made man. He inherited his wealth, then squandered it on hairbrained business ideas. After burning every bank that lent him money, in the end the only ones were Deutsche Bank, which is a front for Russian oligarchs, intelligence operatives, and mobsters, that gave him a loan. Trump would have been left a pauper without their help, and so allowed himself to become compromised by the Russians.
Trump isn't the billionaire he claims he is, only being worth in the millions. His so called business successes are mostly smoke and mirrors. In fact, the only things he ever had a success at selling were MAGA hats and flags.
Sure Trump is relentless - - he's a bully with a deficit in empathy.
In fact, Hilary Clinton had won the popular vote, which meant most Americans felt she would have been the better President. And she would have been, had it not been for the result of the outdated Electoral College, which has long inspired fear that the loser of the popular vote would still win the White House.
What do beautiful women have to do with the price of tea in China?
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So perhaps "useful idiot" for the Russians is more appropriate than "working" for the Russians...
He got Trump elected, which was enough for Donny, once he got comfortable in the Oval Office.
How did he do that?
Seriously? I think Russian troll farms, that had divided and swayed American political opinion, are common knowledge. That includes attacks on the Clinton campaign from Russia, which Trump accepted as help, despite how it came from a foreign enemy against an American citizen.
That still provides zero evidence that Putin got Trump elected.
It certainly shows Russian intelligence helped Trump. And the fact that he did accept help means he risked being compromised by the Russians.
But it still doesn't prove that Putin got Trump elected, just that there was an attempt to do so. You're offering conjecture. not facts to back up your claim.
Putin attempted to get Trump elected. Trump got elected. Trump enacts Pro-Russian policies that are detrimental to America and her allies. If Trump didn't feel indebted to Putin, why the said Pro-Russian policies?
What were those "Pro-Russia policies?"
He had attempted to end American membership in NATO, leaving western Europe at Russian mercy.
He did his damndest to ruin relationships with allies, all the while cozying up to Russia, and enemy.
He was more than sympathetic toward the Russians with their invasion of Ukraine.
He was more than happy to pull us out of theaters in the Middle East, allowing that void to be filled by the Russians.
He took the word of Russian intelligence over that of his own intelligence services.
Admittedly, his Pro-Russian policies were dead on arrival, but thanks only to political opposition at home.
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I am reading a lot of accusations.
To me, it is irrelevant wether they are true or not.
It is irrelevant because Donald Trump is no longer president of the United States.
Everything he has done can be made undone.
So why do you keep feeling bothered about that guy?
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Hmmm, yet he ramped up tensions with Russia:
https://www-independent-co-uk.cdn.amppr ... 5251%2524s
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To me, it is irrelevant wether they are true or not.
It is irrelevant because Donald Trump is no longer president of the United States.
Everything he has done can be made undone.
So why do you keep feeling bothered about that guy?
It's a distraction from dealing with the real problems with our corrupt system.
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I will forever be grateful for something that Donald Trump did not do:
Start a 3rd world war, pushing the famous red button and ending the world in a nuclear disaster.
I expected him to do that. It did not happen. We are still alive.
I am so grateful.
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Start a 3rd world war, pushing the famous red button and ending the world in a nuclear disaster.
I expected him to do that. It did not happen. We are still alive.
I am so grateful.
I'm grateful also.
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This doesn't sound very "pro-Russia" either:
https://amp-cnn-com.cdn.ampproject.org/ ... 5251%2524s
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To me, it is irrelevant wether they are true or not.
It is irrelevant because Donald Trump is no longer president of the United States.
Everything he has done can be made undone.
So why do you keep feeling bothered about that guy?
Because his influence in the Republican party remains. Republican political leaders and rank-and-file members buy into everything from his baseless claims the he and not Joe Biden is the legitimate President, that the 2020 election had been stolen, and that Covid is a hoax, Anti-vax hysteria, as well as a fascistic cult of personality revolving around Trump, just for starters. Trump has his political allies in government and the media even denying the reality of the capitol riot. Then there is the criminal activity of his businesses that are today being investigated.
More than enough reason to keep being bothered by him.
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Is it not wiser to consider Donald Trump as a symptom instead of a cause?
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