TheMachine1
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25 Jul 2007, 10:33 am
Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
I think it's cute, but like the numerology,
one can manage all sorts of such tricks.
The whole concept of 'day' has no meaning,
without the Earth and the Sun, neither of
which existed.
one can manage all sorts of such tricks.
The whole concept of 'day' has no meaning,
without the Earth and the Sun, neither of
which existed.
Actually, each day in Genesis is described, one by one, as "evening and morning".
Back when I was confused (religious
) and I was trying to square evolution and creationism. My answer was the Earth did not spin and all the plates were in one land mass "Pangea". So untill the Earth began spinning no time elapsed. 
25 Jul 2007, 10:38 am
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25 Jul 2007, 11:48 am
TheMachine1 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
I think it's cute, but like the numerology,
one can manage all sorts of such tricks.
The whole concept of 'day' has no meaning,
without the Earth and the Sun, neither of
which existed.
one can manage all sorts of such tricks.
The whole concept of 'day' has no meaning,
without the Earth and the Sun, neither of
which existed.
Actually, each day in Genesis is described, one by one, as "evening and morning".
Back when I was confused (religious
) and I was trying to square evolution and creationism. My answer was the Earth did not spin and all the plates were in one land mass "Pangea". So untill the Earth began spinning no time elapsed. hehe
actually plate tetonics and such work because the earth is spinning (and hot) ^_^
good try though
26 Jul 2007, 11:18 am
TheMachine1 wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
calandale wrote:
I think it's cute, but like the numerology,
one can manage all sorts of such tricks.
The whole concept of 'day' has no meaning,
without the Earth and the Sun, neither of
which existed.
one can manage all sorts of such tricks.
The whole concept of 'day' has no meaning,
without the Earth and the Sun, neither of
which existed.
Actually, each day in Genesis is described, one by one, as "evening and morning".
Back when I was confused (religious
) and I was trying to square evolution and creationism. My answer was the Earth did not spin and all the plates were in one land mass "Pangea". So untill the Earth began spinning no time elapsed. Or maybe the Biblical account is a myth that has nothing to do with Science, the point of which has all to do with faith and the nature of God. I'm sorry, I think creationism is a load of crap and people should read the Bible for what it was when it was written and for what it is now. Anyone heard of exegesis or hermeneutics?
26 Jul 2007, 11:45 am
spdjeanne wrote:
Anyone heard of exegesis or hermeneutics?
Yep, they're both essential tools for examining the truths of Scripture. You should look into it sometime in earnest.
26 Jul 2007, 3:20 pm
TheMachine1
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26 Jul 2007, 3:38 pm
calandale wrote:
But once you begin taking such a view,
which anyone trying to rationalize the
bible with empirical evidence must, you
open the door to questioning all facets of
it. Including within the New Testament.
which anyone trying to rationalize the
bible with empirical evidence must, you
open the door to questioning all facets of
it. Including within the New Testament.
Yeah like converting water to wine would require oxygen atoms being
converted to carbon atoms. Seems to make a jug of wine might release enough energy to destroy Jerusalem.
26 Jul 2007, 3:47 pm
TheMachine1 wrote:
calandale wrote:
But once you begin taking such a view,
which anyone trying to rationalize the
bible with empirical evidence must, you
open the door to questioning all facets of
it. Including within the New Testament.
which anyone trying to rationalize the
bible with empirical evidence must, you
open the door to questioning all facets of
it. Including within the New Testament.
Yeah like converting water to wine would require oxygen atoms being
converted to carbon atoms. Seems to make a jug of wine might release enough energy to destroy Jerusalem.
Hardy har har...
26 Jul 2007, 8:18 pm
Ragtime wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
Anyone heard of exegesis or hermeneutics?
Yep, they're both essential tools for examining the truths of Scripture. You should look into it sometime in earnest.
I didn't study three semesters of Koine Greek and take all those theology classes in college for nothing.
27 Jul 2007, 2:43 am
I consider the Bible to be a spiritual book with its own language and culture that didn't rely on mathematical or scientific ideas to present the ideas within it. I don't think it should be important that the Bible be mathematically proven--it's a spiritual document. It presents a different aspect of the universe from science. If things may match up, it's coincidence.
And just because someone is part of the faculty of a prestigious university doesn't mean his hypotheses are inviolate. Or proveable. And unless someone here is a physicist who can analyze that information, it's useless for those of us not trained in that field.
27 Jul 2007, 7:42 am
27 Jul 2007, 8:34 am
spdjeanne wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
Anyone heard of exegesis or hermeneutics?
Yep, they're both essential tools for examining the truths of Scripture. You should look into it sometime in earnest.
I didn't study three semesters of Koine Greek and take all those theology classes in college for nothing.
They don't seem to have done you much good.
You're still completely ignorant of the character of Christ, and have serious issues with pride and submitting to authority. All that learning, for naught! I mean, when people don't consider you a Christian, that's kind of a sign there's something wrong. I say this from the things you've written: You argue, badly, against every Christian principle I bring up, you think God did not create the world, you don't think the Bible's true, and you reject Christ's lordship over your life. I mean, I've found you a more reliable anti-Christ than many non-believers I know!
I used to think that you were just very young in your faith, and hadn't learned much, so I let a lot of things go. But now that you've mentioned your seminary background, I HAVE to speak up!
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27 Jul 2007, 8:44 am
27 Jul 2007, 8:48 am
Ragtime wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
Anyone heard of exegesis or hermeneutics?
Yep, they're both essential tools for examining the truths of Scripture. You should look into it sometime in earnest.
I didn't study three semesters of Koine Greek and take all those theology classes in college for nothing.
They don't seem to have done you much good.
You're still completely ignorant of the character of Christ, and have serious issues with pride and submitting to authority. All that learning, for naught! I mean, when people don't consider you a Christian, that's kind of a sign there's something wrong. I say this from the things you've written: You argue, badly, against every Christian principle I bring up, you think God did not create the world, you don't think the Bible's true, and you reject Christ's lordship over your life. I mean, I've found you a more reliable anti-Christ than many non-believers I know!I used to think you were just very young in your faith, and hadn't learned much, so I let a lot of things go. But now that you've mentioned your seminary background, I HAVE to speak up!
Honestly, Ragtime, you have no idea who I am and assume many negative things about me in order to feel good about yourself, but fail to see that your opinion of me doesn't matter. You are not my judge or anyone else's.
27 Jul 2007, 8:57 am
Rjaye wrote:
I consider the Bible to be a spiritual book with its own language and culture that didn't rely on mathematical or scientific ideas to present the ideas within it. I don't think it should be important that the Bible be mathematically proven--it's a spiritual document. It presents a different aspect of the universe from science. If things may match up, it's coincidence.
And just because someone is part of the faculty of a prestigious university doesn't mean his hypotheses are inviolate. Or proveable. And unless someone here is a physicist who can analyze that information, it's useless for those of us not trained in that field.
And just because someone is part of the faculty of a prestigious university doesn't mean his hypotheses are inviolate. Or proveable. And unless someone here is a physicist who can analyze that information, it's useless for those of us not trained in that field.
This is very well said, in my opinion.
27 Jul 2007, 9:45 am
spdjeanne wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
spdjeanne wrote:
Anyone heard of exegesis or hermeneutics?
Yep, they're both essential tools for examining the truths of Scripture. You should look into it sometime in earnest.
I didn't study three semesters of Koine Greek and take all those theology classes in college for nothing.
They don't seem to have done you much good.
You're still completely ignorant of the character of Christ, and have serious issues with pride and submitting to authority. All that learning, for naught! I mean, when people don't consider you a Christian, that's kind of a sign there's something wrong. I say this from the things you've written: You argue, badly, against every Christian principle I bring up, you think God did not create the world, you don't think the Bible's true, and you reject Christ's lordship over your life. I mean, I've found you a more reliable anti-Christ than many non-believers I know!I used to think you were just very young in your faith, and hadn't learned much, so I let a lot of things go. But now that you've mentioned your seminary background, I HAVE to speak up!
Honestly, Ragtime, you have no idea who I am and assume many negative things about me in order to feel good about yourself, but fail to see that your opinion of me doesn't matter. You are not my judge or anyone else's.
I know who you are by your many words, and especially by the instantaneous, great offenses you have continually taken over the last several months whenever I express a Christian truth. Of course I'm not your final judge, nor have I claimed to be, but Jesus told us to "judge righteous judgment" (know people correctly) -- that is, by their behaviour: "You shall know them by their fruits...", their works and words (see Matt 7:16-20), "for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks" (Luke 6:45).
Therefore, it is ridiculous for you to say that a person cannot be known no matter what they do and say! You've contradicted Christ directly there, and the fact that it doesn't concern you reveals you perfectly.
