21 Aug 2021, 6:24 pm
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
I find it easy to "read between the lines".
Remember the recent history, on this forum, where the mob chanted "all Republicans are fascist".
Shameful, but it did happen.
"Lest we forget."
MaxE wrote:
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
There was zero chance of changing the electoral decision, hence, no "Putsch".
It was a protest that went violent, as did the BLM one.
And it wasn't as destructive by a long shot.
May I suggest you Google "political spin"?
21 Aug 2021, 6:35 pm
HeroOfHyrule wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
"WP right" =/= the entire right. I don't get involved in political discussions often, but it does seem that there are a few right-leaning WP members that attempt to somehow downplay and justify these things. Someone pointing that out doesn't mean the entirety of the right are neo-Nazis, just that there is a pattern of right-leaning people on WP defending the actions of neo-Nazis.
Easy to say.
Difficult to prove, from what I can see.
Please note that there is no evidence of any moderates or right-wingers defending anyone brandishing the Nazi flag as a political statement.
Your reasoning doesn't apply, in this instant at least, and I suspect it is erroneous in most situations on the website in recent history.
For some, simply not being a card-carrying progressive equates to being a fascist.
Clearly, this is hyperpartisan nonsense.
Please choose your wording more carefully, in future.
The skunk has spoken.
21 Aug 2021, 6:37 pm
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
{text was redacted from OP}
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi.
MaxE wrote:
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
Connect some dots.
Some are incapable.
*I* am not "some".
Kraichgauer wrote:
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
Thank you.
"Groupthink" is a powerful thang.
21 Aug 2021, 6:45 pm
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
HeroOfHyrule wrote:
"WP right" =/= the entire right. I don't get involved in political discussions often, but it does seem that there are a few right-leaning WP members that attempt to somehow downplay and justify these things. Someone pointing that out doesn't mean the entirety of the right are neo-Nazis, just that there is a pattern of right-leaning people on WP defending the actions of neo-Nazis.
Link up some posts. Show me what you're talking about. The implication after posting a link about neo-Nazis and then saying one yearns for the WP right to defend them seemingly suggests the OP feels the WP right all support fringe terrorism. I don't think most people support fringe terrorism regardless of political affiliation on or off this site.
While either side can be guilty of creating straw man arguments, I have noticed it is those on the left who excel.
I suspect hay is cheap in the blue states.
Does the UK have "blue states" also?
To those who make such outlandish statements, please provide evidence.
21 Aug 2021, 8:26 pm
21 Aug 2021, 9:36 pm
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22 Aug 2021, 12:18 am
22 Aug 2021, 1:04 am
TheRobotLives wrote:
This seems to be about insecure masculinity.
Young male thinking:
Guns <--Makes you a real man
Special group membership <--Real man
NAZI (protection of race) <--Real man
NAZI (others are inferior) <--Real man
Young male thinking:
Guns <--Makes you a real man
Special group membership <--Real man
NAZI (protection of race) <--Real man
NAZI (others are inferior) <--Real man
That is an element.
Another aspect is "man's search for meaning", one of the most powerful motivators of the human beast.
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22 Aug 2021, 1:10 am
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
I find it easy to "read between the lines".
Remember the recent history, on this forum, where the mob chanted "all Republicans are fascist".
Shameful, but it did happen.
"Lest we forget."
MaxE wrote:
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
There was zero chance of changing the electoral decision, hence, no "Putsch".
It was a protest that went violent, as did the BLM one.
And it wasn't as destructive by a long shot.
May I suggest you Google "political spin"?
There had been zero chance of Hitler taking over the German state of Bavaria from a beerhall, either, but a putsch it still was. Like Hitler in that beerhall, though, that army of lunatics on January 6th thought taking the reigns of government was possible, as insane as the idea was.
22 Aug 2021, 10:10 am
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
I find it easy to "read between the lines".
Remember the recent history, on this forum, where the mob chanted "all Republicans are fascist".
Shameful, but it did happen.
"Lest we forget."
MaxE wrote:
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
There was zero chance of changing the electoral decision, hence, no "Putsch".
It was a protest that went violent, as did the BLM one.
And it wasn't as destructive by a long shot.
May I suggest you Google "political spin"?
There had been zero chance of Hitler taking over the German state of Bavaria from a beerhall, either, but a putsch it still was. Like Hitler in that beerhall, though, that army of lunatics on January 6th thought taking the reigns of government was possible, as insane as the idea was.
Well, I haven't studied Hitler and his antics, but I believe he wanted a revolution.
I seriously doubt that was the case on the 6th.
It was a protest that became violent, not a revolution.
Some idiots simply got carried away.
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22 Aug 2021, 2:51 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
I find it easy to "read between the lines".
Remember the recent history, on this forum, where the mob chanted "all Republicans are fascist".
Shameful, but it did happen.
"Lest we forget."
MaxE wrote:
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
There was zero chance of changing the electoral decision, hence, no "Putsch".
It was a protest that went violent, as did the BLM one.
And it wasn't as destructive by a long shot.
May I suggest you Google "political spin"?
There had been zero chance of Hitler taking over the German state of Bavaria from a beerhall, either, but a putsch it still was. Like Hitler in that beerhall, though, that army of lunatics on January 6th thought taking the reigns of government was possible, as insane as the idea was.
Well, I haven't studied Hitler and his antics, but I believe he wanted a revolution.
I seriously doubt that was the case on the 6th.
It was a protest that became violent, not a revolution.
Some idiots simply got carried away.
Everyone present on the 6th said they were there to reverse the election results. Sounds like an attempted revolution to me.
22 Aug 2021, 8:32 pm
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
I find it easy to "read between the lines".
Remember the recent history, on this forum, where the mob chanted "all Republicans are fascist".
Shameful, but it did happen.
"Lest we forget."
MaxE wrote:
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
There was zero chance of changing the electoral decision, hence, no "Putsch".
It was a protest that went violent, as did the BLM one.
And it wasn't as destructive by a long shot.
May I suggest you Google "political spin"?
There had been zero chance of Hitler taking over the German state of Bavaria from a beerhall, either, but a putsch it still was. Like Hitler in that beerhall, though, that army of lunatics on January 6th thought taking the reigns of government was possible, as insane as the idea was.
Well, I haven't studied Hitler and his antics, but I believe he wanted a revolution.
I seriously doubt that was the case on the 6th.
It was a protest that became violent, not a revolution.
Some idiots simply got carried away.
Everyone present on the 6th said they were there to reverse the election results. Sounds like an attempted revolution to me.
"Everyone"?
"Everyone"?
Surely you must be using hyperbole.
I hope you aren't misrepresenting the situation.
With the benefit of having access to non-left-wing hyperpartisan news reports, I can assure you that there were mums and dads who were there just to register a complaint about the voting system, a voting system that desperately needs reform.
Do you believe, as has been reported in the news, that the coloured community is incapable of obtaining an identity card?
If so, isn't that more than a little condescending?
Give what I have said some consideration, my Teutonic friend.
And yes, if you have a German background, you get additional brownie points.
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22 Aug 2021, 10:22 pm
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
Kraichgauer wrote:
Pepe wrote:
MaxE wrote:
ezbzbfcg2 wrote:
Some neo-Nazis wanted to engage in acts of domestic terrorism or disruption. And?
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
You seem to be implying that anyone on the right is automatically a Nazi. What explanation are you looking for? It's like asking, "How will those on the left defend Antifa burning down a public building?" I don't think anyone's political persuasion means they automatically support radical violence and destruction.
I didn't notice the OP using the word "Nazi" anywhere in this post. "Butthole" =/= "Nazi".
I find it easy to "read between the lines".
Remember the recent history, on this forum, where the mob chanted "all Republicans are fascist".
Shameful, but it did happen.
"Lest we forget."
MaxE wrote:
Although it's quite true that most right-wing people are not Nazis, there is a real phenomenon occurring whereby events in today's US compellingly recall events in 1920's Germany, that eventually led to the Nazi Party later seizing power. So you can't blame many Americans for feeling as though they face a future under a 21st Century version of Nazism. The next time you read something that appears to you as a naïve false equivalence between respectable right-wing opinion and Nazism, please think about what may have led the writer to draw that conclusion. Consider that the Republican Party is the Leading Party in the US, that White Americans are the dominant group and the vast majority are Republican, and that only a tiny fraction of Republican politicians have spoken out against the January 6 "Putsch" — and you might understand why a lot of people are angry and afraid.
There was zero chance of changing the electoral decision, hence, no "Putsch".
It was a protest that went violent, as did the BLM one.
And it wasn't as destructive by a long shot.
May I suggest you Google "political spin"?
There had been zero chance of Hitler taking over the German state of Bavaria from a beerhall, either, but a putsch it still was. Like Hitler in that beerhall, though, that army of lunatics on January 6th thought taking the reigns of government was possible, as insane as the idea was.
Well, I haven't studied Hitler and his antics, but I believe he wanted a revolution.
I seriously doubt that was the case on the 6th.
It was a protest that became violent, not a revolution.
Some idiots simply got carried away.
Everyone present on the 6th said they were there to reverse the election results. Sounds like an attempted revolution to me.
"Everyone"?
"Everyone"?
Surely you must be using hyperbole.
I hope you aren't misrepresenting the situation.
With the benefit of having access to non-left-wing hyperpartisan news reports, I can assure you that there were mums and dads who were there just to register a complaint about the voting system, a voting system that desperately needs reform.
Do you believe, as has been reported in the news, that the coloured community is incapable of obtaining an identity card?
If so, isn't that more than a little condescending?
Give what I have said some consideration, my Teutonic friend.
And yes, if you have a German background, you get additional brownie points.
No. If they weren't there to force congress to change the election results - particularly with signs reading: "stop the steal," and invading both houses of congress to intimidate the members with violence - I can't think of what else they were there for.
I never said that minority voters couldn't get IDs to vote, but that red state municipal and state governments have made it that much harder by shutting down government offices where such IDs could be gotten.
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