There is something wrong with "workers mentality"

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07 Sep 2021, 9:08 am

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Americans tried to abolish slavery during the American Civil War but then they replaced it with abusing cheap labor in third world countries.


People should rise up against all types of forced labor: Conscription, work-duty, wage-slavery/cheap labor.

The Means of Production should be seized by the Common People and the former employers should be tried by The People's Revolutionary Tribunal.


Communism has failed pretty badly in all countries that tried it. Are you against working full stop by any chance or only for unskilled, low paid jobs?


I'm not advocating communism.

I'm advocating Liberty for the Commoners.
Communism enslaved the workers and commoners, just as badly as capitalism.

I want low-skilled, low-paid citizens to enjoy the exact same liberty/freedom of choice as the wealthy elite.



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07 Sep 2021, 9:10 am

Not working just DOESN'T WORK......



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07 Sep 2021, 9:11 am

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Not working just DOESN'T WORK......


Then pay the workers whatever they demand for their labor.
Some rich people also don't work. It works for them. I wish that right to say no to work wasn't a privilege for the few, but an essential right entitled to all citizens.



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07 Sep 2021, 9:13 am

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Employees are forced to work by duties of the State, either through the fear of hunger and homelessness or by means of making unemployment illegal.
People are forced to work by their own need for self-support, and are unemployable due to their own lack of skills or work-ethic.  The average basement-dwelling mama's boy who dropped out of high school, has no marketable skills, and is unwilling to show up on time and carry out his job assignments is unemployable.  The average high-school graduate who goes on to learn marketable skills and displays a strong work-ethic is more likely to be employed and remain employed.
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Workers are the property of the State & Government. [...]
Only in Communist countries.


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07 Sep 2021, 9:13 am

I don't think this political view is "banned".
The only banned political view I know of is neo-nazi.
All other views are allowed - some are just not popular and many are unrealistic.


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07 Sep 2021, 9:14 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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Not working just DOESN'T WORK......
Then pay the workers whatever they demand for their labor.
OR find workers who are willing to work for what you pay them (finding them is not difficult at all).


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07 Sep 2021, 9:17 am

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I don't think this political view is "banned". The only banned political view I know of is neo-nazi. All other views are allowed - some are just not popular.
Demanding that employers provide wages for people who will not work is analogous to demanding that women provide sex to incels who will not grow up.


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07 Sep 2021, 9:18 am

Making unemployment illegal was tried here.
It resulted in extremely poor work culture. People went to work to drink and socialize, often without doing what they were supposed to do.


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07 Sep 2021, 9:18 am

I believe there should be more equalized wages. I believe vital blue-collar workers should be paid more than they are.

This is why we have unions----so workers could assert their rights, and to assert their right to job security.

I believe we are in a low ebb as far as unions are concerned these days, which is unfortunate.

But to believe that "work is slavery" is ridiculous to me.



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07 Sep 2021, 9:18 am

Ok. We'll, people need to start at McDonalds if they have no real immediate skills.

Working is also unavoidable. Even cavemen had to work. There hasn't been a time in human history where nobody had to work....unless they were exploiting the labour of others.



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07 Sep 2021, 9:19 am

Fnord wrote:
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Not working just DOESN'T WORK......
Then pay the workers whatever they demand for their labor.
OR find workers who are willing to work for what you pay them (finding them is not difficult at all).


That's where the government has its place:
To ban employers from hiring cheap labor.



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07 Sep 2021, 9:19 am

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Making unemployment illegal was tried here. It resulted in extremely poor work culture. People went to work to drink and socialize, often without doing what they were supposed to do.
Funny ... that is exactly what happened in the USSR and Cuba when the Communists took over.


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07 Sep 2021, 9:21 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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Not working just DOESN'T WORK......
Then pay the workers whatever they demand for their labor.
OR find workers who are willing to work for what you pay them (finding them is not difficult at all).
That's where the government has its place: To ban employers from hiring cheap labor.
So ... to provide more jobs, you would ban people from working.

:scratch: That makes no sense at all!


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07 Sep 2021, 9:21 am

Basically, "Communism in real life" just doesn't work......it's nice as a utopian theory, though.



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07 Sep 2021, 9:22 am

Fnord wrote:
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Making unemployment illegal was tried here. It resulted in extremely poor work culture. People went to work to drink and socialize, often without doing what they were supposed to do.
Funny ... that is exactly what happened in the USSR and Cuba when the Communists took over.
Lemme see... where did Poland land after WWII?
Oh, in Soviet ring of influence.
No coincidence. I'm talking about these times.


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07 Sep 2021, 9:24 am

No, I'm saying that people should not be left on unemployment benefits with work-duty in return for their benefits.
Instead, those people should have the right to work and get paid well.

I say a minimum wage of no less than $4000/month should do the work... of attracting workers.