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12 Oct 2021, 3:56 pm

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In porn the person paying isn't the one having sex.

My point is that there is still an exchange of funds in return for a sexual act. Porn stars are paid (although this industry needs some SERIOUS regulation).


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12 Oct 2021, 3:59 pm

Flown wrote:
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In porn the person paying isn't the one having sex.

My point is that there is still an exchange of funds in return for a sexual act. Porn stars are paid (although this industry needs some SERIOUS regulation as well).


It boils down to the legal definition which is money paid for sex by the person having the sex.



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12 Oct 2021, 4:00 pm

In porn technically they're paid for the scene, escorts technically get paid for their time. For some reason just being honest isn't legal in many places.


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12 Oct 2021, 4:06 pm

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In porn technically they're paid for the scene, escorts technically get paid for their time. For some reason just being honest isn't legal in many places.


In Illinois it's legal to pay your spouse for sex. So the law there isn't about sex for money. It's about enforcement of religious beliefs in direct violation of the Constitution.



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12 Oct 2021, 4:12 pm

I could never degrade myself to have sex unless I knew there was a deep love involved and a commitment. I just don't know what is wrong with people who could treat sex as some commodity to be bought and sold without them having something morally wrong with them.
I can understand people becoming trapped in the industry. I managed to get a kid out of that industry and he and his brother were child sex prostitutes so they could take money back to their Mum as she was addicted to drugs. I did want to get involved to stop it but the kids begged me not to because they really had a deep love for their Mum. She was all they had, so as one was coming up to 16, I encouraged him to look for work, and he found a job in the travel industry. He not only was paid well but he could then enjoy free travel right round the world! He was able to support his Mum by honest honerable means. He was thrilled and I imagine that his Mum had less to worry about.

I hope the kid has continued to be successful as when I left the railway, I lost touch.


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12 Oct 2021, 4:14 pm

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In porn technically they're paid for the scene, escorts technically get paid for their time. For some reason just being honest isn't legal in many places.


In Illinois it's legal to pay your spouse for sex. So the law there isn't about sex for money. It's about enforcement of religious beliefs in direct violation of the Constitution.


Well, no matter how you slice it I don't really don't think the government is entitled to criminalize sex work.


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12 Oct 2021, 4:58 pm

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I could never degrade myself to have sex unless I knew there was a deep love involved and a commitment. I just don't know what is wrong with people who could treat sex as some commodity to be bought and sold without them having something morally wrong with them.
I can understand people becoming trapped in the industry. I managed to get a kid out of that industry and he and his brother were child sex prostitutes so they could take money back to their Mum as she was addicted to drugs. I did want to get involved to stop it but the kids begged me not to because they really had a deep love for their Mum. She was all they had, so as one was coming up to 16, I encouraged him to look for work, and he found a job in the travel industry. He not only was paid well but he could then enjoy free travel right round the world! He was able to support his Mum by honest honerable means. He was thrilled and I imagine that his Mum had less to worry about.

I hope the kid has continued to be successful as when I left the railway, I lost touch.


We have plenty of that form of prostitution in the US and it's illegality does nothing to stop it. If the UK went back to illegality it would also do nothing to stop it.



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12 Oct 2021, 5:03 pm

Legal or not, I wouldn't indulge in it. Too dangerous. Too much possibility for diseases.

I took this woman----who I knew was a prostitute----to the movies back in 1986. We went back to her apartment. We made out a little....but I decided not to "go through with it." She decided that paying for the movie was enough. That was my only "date" with a prostitute.



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12 Oct 2021, 5:06 pm

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Legal or not, I wouldn't indulge in it. Too dangerous. Too much possibility for diseases.

I took this woman----who I knew was a prostitute----to the movies back in 1986. We went back to her apartment. We made out a little....but I decided not to "go through with it." She decided that paying for the movie was enough. That was my only "date" with a prostitute.


I think she'd be a little disappointed that you viewed it like that even though it literally was, since it sounds like she wasn't viewing you as a john but instead like some guy she might have fancied.

I get it and I think it's good for everyone involved that you didn't go get involved like that, but I'm sure in that moment if she knew how it was viewed might have been a bit of a bummer. (wahh, I wanted a date not a client)


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12 Oct 2021, 5:09 pm

I actually liked the woman. And we said hello a few times afterwards. No harm done.



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12 Oct 2021, 5:10 pm

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I actually liked the woman. And we said hello a few times afterwards. No harm done.


That's good. I'm sure being friends was still positive.
It's also something inherent to sex work and part of the reason sex workers often get involved with people in or adjacent to sex work.


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12 Oct 2021, 5:14 pm

I don't view prostitutes as having a "moral failing." I view them more as usually being a victim of circumstance.

I used to have the desire to "save" prostitutes (but in my mind only. I never actually actively sought to "save" one).

In the literature of the past, they were viewed as being, somehow, sort of "saintly" in a way. Maybe like the old image of Mary Magdalene.



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12 Oct 2021, 5:18 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't view prostitutes as having a "moral failing." I view them more as usually being a victim of circumstance.

I agree, and this is why I disagree with viewing them as "criminals". It's quite harsh to instantly pass off someone doing something you don't personally agree with as an immoral criminal, when in reality they may be doing that thing because of an unfortunate circumstance. I rather not force these people into more unfortunate circumstances by making their work illegal and giving them criminal records + pushing them into dangerous situations.



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12 Oct 2021, 5:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I don't view prostitutes as having a "moral failing." I view them more as usually being a victim of circumstance.


I can see it being the latter, although there's also sex workers who really aren't victims in any understanding of the word.

I don't view it as a moral issue but I can understand it might make it harder to find a romantic partner.


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12 Oct 2021, 5:38 pm

if you wanna know the real reason the religious right always was against sex [for the 99%] for any reason other than procreation, watch or read "the handmaid's tale."



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12 Oct 2021, 6:09 pm

Fact is this business is too lucrative for it's illegality to end it regardless of the severity of the punishment. In the 80s Ronnie Raygun got "tough on drugs" with a bunch of draconian laws and it didn't stop drugs at all for the same reason.