I’m fed up with people not liking vaccine mandates

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Wrong again!

I was "pushy and adamant" about others getting the vaccine because I personally knew over 30 people who had died from covid in the last two years, and I did not want to lose any more friends, relatives, or coworkers.

Then I got to thinking, "Why bother?  All I am doing is making myself look as stupid as they."

So now, if people refuse the vaccine and die from covid, I will not attend their funerals, even by Skype or Zoom.

Because the moment they were infected with covid after refusing the vaccine, they were already dead!

Their problem; not mine.

Last edited by Fnord on 05 Feb 2022, 2:33 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Since the anti-vax and anti-mask people consider vaxes and masks to be socialism, let's exile them to China, Cuba, Venezuela, et al.

Subject them to what they despise.

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The Vaccination Mandate Imposed by the Military
That Also Applies to Government Contractors

Saved Lives in the Ignorance of Northwest

Florida, Among the Lowest Vaccinated
Counties in the Nation; Those Who

Didn't Get Vaccinated, my Peers,
And Much Younger, Died, Died,

Died, Dead, Died
Dead; Yet Now that

the Majority of The County
is Finally Vaccinated in Large
Part Due to Vaccination Mandates by
The Very Large Military Industrial Complex

in Northwest Florida, Cases Continue to
Stay High Yet Deaths Have Fallen Much
Closer to Zero Now; Yes, Credit MANDATES

From Their Military And Other Employers and
Sure, Credit Smart Corporations Like Walmart,
And Target, and Others, Requiring Masks During
The Deadly Delta Variant; At Least Mandated
Among their Employees When

Cloth Masks WERE

MORE Effective; While
MeaNwhile in the

Killing Fields Of

The Church, i Watched
From Live Stream to Study As A
Free Lance Anthropology Participant
Observer, Then the Church Required Neither Masks
Or Social Distancing, And Surely No Vaccinations Either...

Live and Learn;
Change and Adapt
to the Challenges of
Life, Using All Technology

Has to Offer; OR Sadly

'Die Dear

Road

Runner Die'...

As 'Wiley Coyote'
Is STiLL the Ignorance
Also Employed to Chase Folks Down...

Down

Down

Down And
Sadly Dead, Dead, Dead...

It's Finally Pretty Safe for Us
Triple Vaxxed Folks Down Here
In the Florida Panhandle Bible Belt
Now Yet i Still Cautiously Keep My
Social Distance From 'The Crowd Think'

As Such
Now Still

Just for
Common Sense
Precaution Not
To Spread Anymore 'Bad News'...

The Doctor's Suggest That me And
my Wife Had IT, When it First Arrived in the
Local Area in Early 2020, Then, Before it Became So

POPULAR IN ALL THE MAINSTREAM AND LOCAL MEDIA...

It Would Have Been Nice to Have Been Triple Vaxxed Then
Instead of Facing The Full Blunt Force For Two Months or So

And Dealing
Then With
'Long
Haul
Syndrome'
Symptoms Like
Tachycardia For a
Year; While The Doctors
Were Amazed i Could Even
Breath Then, Listening to my Lungs;
Yet of Course, Another Odd Symptom
of Covid-19, While i Coughed up Blood
Enough to Visit the Doctor With 'the Strange
Flu' That Put me in Bed For the First 54 Hours
of 72, And Required An Inhaler And Steroids for

my Wife,
First time
We Ever
Visited
A Doctor
For A Cold or Flu;
Yet Keep in Mind
i Am Assessed Normally
Healthy as A Well Bred Horse, hehe...

If i had Been Unhealthy, Not Likely i'd be here now
Telling my 'Rushing the Flu Away' Story as i Documented
The Whole Horrible Experience in Words Then Like All i Do Now, hehe...

Most People
Who Actually

Succumb

to it And go the
Ventilator Way, DO
REGRET NOT GETTING VACCINATED

AND AFTER FAMILY MEMBERS DIE, MANY
OF THE FOLKS AROUND HERE WHO WERE
ACTUALLY TOUCHED BY THE DEATH OF LOVED

ONES

Changed Their
Tune; Out Of Sight
Out of Mind Yeah,

Baby, The Human Cognition
of Ignorance is Part of the Overall Condition;

Some Days Folks Need Someone to Step in And Save Their Life;

However That comes: Lock Downs, Masks, Contact Tracing, Testing,
Vaccination Mandates; However, A Large Issue of Ignorance Here is

Folks Worship

The After Life

More Than Life
Now; How Ya Gonna

Compete with Rarified

Abstract Constructs Like Words Changed
Into Beliefs that After Life is Greater Than Life...

And This is the Challenge of Bible Belts Like Where i Live FOR REAL...

AS THOSE BELTS HAVE BEEN TIGHTLY WRAPPED AROUND SOME NECKS

NOW TO THE

point of Ventilators.

Suffocation, and Pandemic Death
As A Result of the Real Original Greek "Apocalpyse"
Definition of Lifting the Veils of Ignorance Failed; Yes,

"Apocalypse Failed"...

And Dead

Just Died,
Dead, Dead, Dead...

And Sadly Many Young Folks too...

Such Vibrant Road Runners Before
They Met 'The End'...

Anyway as

'They' Say

'That's All Folks'...

i Surely Had Very Young
Vibrant Indian Women FRiEnDS
Who Would Have Loved to Have Had
An Opportunity to Be Vaccinated When

The Delta Variant
FIRST Hit Their

Country

And

Decimated
So Many Folks

Old And Young There for REAL TOO...

FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS, where Ignorance Still Reigns...

Nah, Those Indian Folks, Were Way too Smart For that

Yet they

Worship
Life More than Death too...
Probably Why We Get aLong so Well

Versus the Folks Who Worship Death More
Than Life in Many Other Communities i Visit...

Yes,
It Makes
A Difference
ACross the Entire
Lifespan Yet A Sacred
Cow Here in the United
States, So Ironically to

Openly Discuss if Ya
Don't Wanna Get

Folks Very

Mad
Indeed...

Yeah, Of Course
India Has Issues
too; It's Amazing How
Much Folks Value Freedom
in the United States; Spending
Decades to Find A Place to Exercise
All their Freedoms; Staying Alive Helps...

Live
Road

Runner Live...

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I wish the problem with lack of ICU beds would have been addressed, now that we're two years into the pandemic.

I think the problem with figuring out the ethics is that the outcome of being unjabbed isn't clear-cut. I suppose few would see an antivaxxer causing their own death as being a moral issue. I don't like to see people self-harming but it's scarcely my business if it's that simple. But harming others can happen in 3 ways:
1. The unjabbed person might catch Covid and might then use up scarce healthcare resources. Presumably more of a problem in the UK where the NHS is already way behind on such things as cancer screening because of Covid, and the unjabbed don't have to pay for their treatment, so the hospital gets no extra money from them to buy more resources with.
2. The unjabbed person is statistically more likely to pass Covid on to others, though they might mitigate that risk by (e.g.) social distancing, wearing an effective mask, or self-isolating to any degree between keeping out of crowded buildings and completely quarantining. I suppose there's a correlation, though, between refusing the jab and refusing to take such precautions. There's also a plausible theory around that everybody's going to get Covid in the end anyway, which may dilute the argument that the refusenik is doing a lot of harm.
3. The unjabbed person might try to justify their position by spreading propaganda or just explaining why they decided not to get jabbed, and if anybody listens to them, they might get influenced into refusing the jab too. In extreme cases, antivaxxers have been known to try to intimidate people out of getting jabbed.

So it's a rather complicated thing to decide whether an individual is being particularly harmful if they don't accept a jab. We can't easily quantify whether a particular person would breed tons of live Covid or whether their immune system would kill it stone dead before it got a significant chance to circulate. I suppose their culpability is on the decline now that the main Covid strain is relatively non-lethal, and if the trend continues then it may get to the point where it's no more dangerous to others than refusing a winter flu jab.

I love how right wingers think that this country has become communist or something. Otherwise they’d all be in jail for bashing Biden. And to say that their freedoms are being taken away bc of vaccine mandates….

ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS GET VACCINATED. IT IS THAT EASY!! !!

But no, people are so stuck in their ways that even a disease that has caused a pandemic won’t get them to take a vaccine. And a lot of those people have died of COVID, proving my point.

I'm not a fan of forced anything, because it's an individual choice in the end.

I would have gotten the vaccine if I was able to get to a doctor's office for such (I'm disabled), as they worked alright against Delta and the other more severe variants, and still do, as I still go to the [very] local stores now and again (neighbors help me out sometimes), and the local chemist was a little slow to get involved in it all. Omicron hit around the time I was going to get started at the local chemist as they caught up, as I liked the lessened chance of contracting it, especially compounded with masking -- I fear passing it on to a loved one. Omicron.

I'm considered vulnerable too (even if "only" 40), which amuses me.

To add,

By the time I hit three doses, I'll have caught it by then or an Omicron specific antigen vaccine will be out. Rock and a hard place, and sometimes you kinda have to play with the cards you're dealt.

Apparently, I have one of the worse vulnerabilities too (might be second worse). Lol.

And here is a pro-vaxxer demonstrating the safety of the vaccine.

Death rate in England is the same or worse for vacvinated people.

There are normally 18 pro sportsmen who have heart attacks each year who die. Last year thete were over 180.

The last airline pilot i know about who died was 2015. They are monitored carefully because dropping dead is a bad thing if you're needed to fly a plane. At least 12 died in about 6 weeks after they vaxed them. Word of mouth is that this crisis is continuing: british airways mandates one pilot must be unvaxed, someone in america nearly lost a plane because one pilot died and the other was partially incapacitated.

Now they are telling us that heart problems and blood clots and neurological problems are a result of covid. But the people who are getting these problems seem to be vaxed. The incidence of these problems in the unvaxed does not seem to have increased.

Did you know that helmeted motorcyclists and car occupants have the same ratio's of head injuries? Many gead injuries could be prevented by mandating helmets in cars. This has not been done because you can only force a minority of the population to "submit", and the majority of the population is against helmets. The gvt can only persecute, compel, a minority. The majority must be persuaded by miss information and propaganda.

^^^
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2 ... using-uk-/

i haven't noticed morgues overflowing with bodies who died of the vaccine. considering that in western nations, a minimum of 50% vaccination rate can be assumed, that really should habe happened already, no?

vaccines are, in general, a victim of their own success: because the usual ones we get as children work so well, we kinda consider that the normal state - and if that's normal, why get a vaccine?

I do have a British friend who recently became an anti-vaxxer. She's had Covid, was ill for a week and lost her sense of smell for another two weeks. She's now talking of "natural immunisation". She just doesn't want to talk about what she's immune to: RE-infection. I'm trying to get immune to infection in the first place.

Check out my tin-foil hat thread. The non-covid death rate is definitely up in many places and poor data collection might be hiding many immediate vaccine deaths as Covid deaths (Why do the unvaccinated see death spikes after they choose not to get the vaccine?).

The latest DMED data leak is terrifying, it suggests that cancer may be a long term killer for the vaccinated. Of course, if we had done proper safety trials, we might have caught that.



That isn't it. These aren't the same vaccines of our youth and that is what twigs people into being suspicious of them.



She's absolutely right to be. Put aside all the other stuff, it has been shown that natural immunity gained through infection to be much more effective than any immunity a jab can give you.

What most vaxx fanatics will never admit is they aren't actually "trusting the science", they are trusting people who tell them "this is what the science says". People who actually do the barest of reading about the science and learn a bit about medical history end up on the other side of the debate, urging for caution and proper safety trials.

This is a very long way from the truth.

In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving coronavirus (COVID-19) was 93.4% lower for people who had received a third dose, or booster, at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people.

In the period July to December 2021, the age-adjusted risk of death involving COVID-19 was 81.2% lower for people who had received a second dose at least 21 days ago compared with unvaccinated people; for January to June 2021, this was 99.5% lower.

Source: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulation ... cember2021


This is also not true. The list includes members of marching bands, joggers, and archers. It includes suicides, motorcycle accidents, heat stroke, and congenital heart issues. It includes people who died in 2019 and 2020. It includes people with no known cause of death. It includes people who had COVID, which is associated with higher rates of myocarditis than the vaccine.

https://reuters.com/article/idUSL1N2T81NY

This is fairly easy to debunk as well. All the usual fact checkers tore this claim to shreds a year ago. Here is a direct denial from BA: https://twitter.com/british_airways/sta ... 48?lang=en

Again this is just wrong - myocarditis is a common symptom of COVID, and it was recently discovered that “long COVID” is caused by blood clots.

Myocarditis:

https://www.newscientist.com/article/mg ... ccination/

7.2% of COVID patients get myocarditis prior to the vaccines becoming available - this compares to 1 in 10 million who get it after having a Pfizer vaccine (and even lower for Moderna): https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... ort=reader

Blood clots:

https://b-s-h.org.uk/about-us/news/incr ... ong-covid/

https://www.openaccessgovernment.org/bl ... id/121511/


Firstly, that isn’t a fair comparison. You should be comparing unhelmeted motorcyclists to unhelmeted car occupants.

Secondly, you are wrong - motorcyclists are 16 times more likely to die in an accident on a per-mile basis, and 4 times more likely to be injured: https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/conse ... dent-33395

Thirdly, we do compel a lot of things of car occupants. There is a legal requirement to wear a seat belt, for example.

This is of course tosh. Not only did we do all the usual safety trials, we have now conducted a planetary scale safety assessment by giving 10bn doses.

Natural immunity fades just the same as vaccine immunity. People who have been infected should wait at least 28 days before getting vaccinated, but should still get vaccinated - it will provide a higher level of protection.

It is true that some people who do the barest of reading convince themselves that they are experts and may become anti-vaccine if they are reading bad information. People who actually are experts, who have an understanding of the science, who know how to track down the relevant data - they’re almost all extremely pro-vaccine. Anyone who is antivaccine at this point has gone very badly wrong.