Hillary 2024?

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Eh, I'd wager that politicians are the universal collateral damage of being an intelligent life form.

I seem to remember some on here claiming that Clinton was going to run in 2020.

Honestly, as great as Hillary is, I think the chances of her running again are <1%.

This is an awful idea, it must be said.

Firstly, why do political parties exist? Nothing in the US system mandates or even encourages them; independent candidates can stand and hope to win - indeed, 2% of your senators are independent. This is probably the only good thing about FPTP… And yet political parties reliably form in democratic systems, even in those systems that don’t encourage them. A part of this is because politicians usually can’t achieve anything without working with other people (indeed, that’s basically the point of democracy), but another very important thing requires examination of what you mean by “merit”.

I could grandstand about the difficulty of defining “merit”. The reasonable-length answer, though, is that you can’t get out your meritometre and see that Candidate A has 0.86 points of merit and Candidate B has 0.77 points of merit. No, in a democracy, merit is determined by voters. I can understand having a low opinion of voters, but at the end of the day, one of the main things voters value in a politician is whether they share their values. And the easiest way to signal your values is to start off by saying “you know that group of people? I have similar values to them”. That’s what the party identifier does. If you want to run for Congress in Arkansas, the fact that you believe everything a Republican is expected to believe *is* merit, because it doesn’t make sense to define merit in any way other than “what voters want”.

The Republican Party is significantly more disciplined than the Democratic Party (you may recall the old joke “I’m not a member of an organised political party, I am a Democrat”), but even there, Lindsey Graham knows he has to talk positively about social security or he’ll lose the senior vote. Mitt Romney has to talk about respectability or he’ll lose the Mormon vote. People like Charlie Baker and Phil Scott have to basically be acceptable to Democrats (and being a Governor offers much greater freedom than being a Republican Senator).

In short, though, political parties are useful for most voters, and any attempt to “ban” them is unlikely to achieve its stated goals.

Now VegetableMan is complaining that voters don’t like the same people he does, and that’s a valid complaint! But the solution isn’t to complain that voters are stupid and political parties should be banned. Just get them to vote for candidates that you do like. Most political parties do not allow their membership nearly the same amount of control over candidate selection that big American parties tend to - heck, big American parties will basically let anyone vote in their primaries, if they want to - no screening, no membership fees, just say “I support this party”, or sometimes “I don’t support any party”, and you get a vote.

The solution to “sometimes candidates win who I don’t like” shouldn’t be “reduce democratic freedom”. Rather, it should either be reducing the power politicians have by transferring it to individuals where possible, or else by reforming the democratic system to better accommodate minority viewpoints.

The only reason there was a President Trump was that there was a Hillary Clinton vying for the same position at that time.
Shame on you, Hillary! <facetiousness>



Her polls are even worse than Uncle Joe's.
Affirmative action at its worst.

If she comes back I swear I'll make that web content filter browser plug-in I wanted to make after the 2016 elections.

Too late!
Biden has serious cognitive concerns that any non-partisan will acknowledge.

He seems to have child loving concerns also. If Body language is any indication.

I respect your right to an opinion. Mine may be right or wrong, awful or brilliant. I don't claim to have any vested interest in American politics, or any knowledge of the way people manipulate one another for political gain.

I was talking in terms of a Utopian vision. A theory. A hope of people coming together so they would stop classifying people with arbitrary terminology. Of course it can't be immediate. What I was thinking would take generations if it happened by attrition, like I said. Maybe a hundred years or more. It would take time for future generations to be born without knowing the binary of left and right, but instead assembling a group of elected people who are expected to work together and find common principles.

Call me naive. Call my ideas awful. But I'd still prefer this type of world, than the type we're living in now.

Isn't the point that people don't work together in political parties? They form factions instead of communicating as individuals?



The danger here is not encountering new and different ideas.



So are cars, but they're not good for the planet.



Plato made a good case for it.

I think it's more likely that Kamala will be pushed on us in 2024, a candidate equally as horrible as Hillary. Biden may not even finish his first term, as he is obviously suffering cognitive decline.

We only get the worst, folks. Good candidates have no chance of getting nominated.

You all act as if she has won the nomination already.

This is all aspirational at this point.

Obviously aspirational is Hillary's ego.

Aspirational for Trump who would like nothing better than a rematch.

Why would the party insiders and parties voters want to nominate a two-time loser? THE PERSON WHO LOST TO TRUMP.

Last edited by ASPartOfMe on 18 Feb 2022, 7:43 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Yeah, it's very unlikely the DNC would elevate Hillary in 2024. That would be political suicide.

Hillary Clinton is undeniably the most hated political figure in the US, mostly because the Press hate her. No American would give a seconds' thought to this idea. I actually think she could run the country but everyone hates her.

TBH the only people I would be excited to see as President are too young to be taken seriously. In particular Alexandria Ocasio Cortez looks like a real leader to me.

Ideally the President should be a member of Generation X but they are so cynical they can't produce any leaders just haters or people like Joe Rogan who bring shame to their ancestry and nationality.

AOC will be 35 years old on Inauguration day 2025 and thus eligible to be President. Obviously her age, gender, and "socialism" will work against her. With all of that, I would not underestimate her. She is telegenic and knows how to use social media, and gives back as good as she gets. If that is not enough to win the nomination it should be more than enough to replace Sanders as the leader of the progressive wing of the Democratic Party if that has not happened already.

Jesus Christ, AOC would be awful. Probably not as bad as Trump but I wouldn’t want to find out.

I don’t particularly care how old the President is although I think it would be healthy to have a bit of variety in the age after a few elections where the three leading candidates were all in their 70s.

Some Gen Xers who would make a good President:

Kamala Harris
Cory Booker
Michael Bennet
Keisha Lance Bottoms
The Castro twins
Stacey Abrams
Chris Sununu
Tammy Duckworth

Unfortunately most of the good Republicans are old. Younger ones were pushed out by Trump. He couldn’t touch Baker, Scott, and Hogan, but they’re all old. Only Sununu qualifies as Gen X. If anyone has better suggestions please voice them…

Aliens with intelligence would know better than to attempt talking to us. I mean what are they going to learn?

Interesting list of Democrats. Of those, Duckworth would be my first choice. I think she would have the best chance at beating Trump or any of his proxies in a fair election. In fact, at the beginning of the 2020 election I dearly hoped she would run. One possible reason for her having not run in 2020 might be that circumstances of her birth might call into question her ability to meet the constitutional requirement of being native-born (or however that's worded).