Pastor Barnhart explains right-wing anti-abortion politics.

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In that respect, yes. I don't know why folks compare the unborn to parasites hoping it will help them win this argument, though it is often attempted. It neither helps the optics of the pro-choice side, nor the moral argument, nor, more importantly, the biological argument: are parasites alive when they are inside a host? Are they separate life forms? If yes, what life form are they? For the unborn, the answer is "human" and a human quite obviously distinct and separate from the mother it inhabits.

It is not a comparison, it is a fact -- a developing fetus conforms in every respect to a parasite, except when the mother wants to give birth.

The "comparison" is made to obviate the fact that the fetus is part of a woman's body, and it is entirely up to her to decide whether or not she wants it to continue feeding off her.

So five dudes sitting around in black bathrobes get to decide if a woman with whom none of them has ever had sex can or cannot continue supporting an unwanted parasite in her own body.

Why not make it illegal to get rid of ticks and tapeworms too?

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The Way i See IT at Least, Any 'Human'
TRULY Understanding A Girl Was Violently

Raped Through Incest, Trafficking

Or Any Other Way of Rape; Yes,

Any Human Who Insists That Little

Girl Must Be Added The Hell Already Delivered

to Her Directly By Being Forced to A Carry A Fetus For 9 Months

By That Evil, Isn't Very Human to me; At Least When it Comes to

Any

Sense

of Common Decency,

In Regard to the Kind of Empathy
And Compassion That is at Least
Capable of Slipping into Someone Else's Shoes of Hell...

And Yes, 'This' is A place of 'Florida So-Called Men,' Texas,
Mississippi And The Like; Callous, Dark, From A Place So Far Below Love

THAT
IS REAL...

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Huh, I've never thought about that, but now that I do, I think it might actually be pretty simple: in the times when the rules against gay marriage, abortion, women having careers etc. were created, those in power needed to stay in power by having lots of loyal subjects. Gay marriage = no children being born from that marriage (before fertility treatments) = no new subjects = no good. Abortion = prevents the birth of one new subject = no good. Women working outside the house = women having less time to take care of kids = women will likely have fewer kids = fewer new subjects = no good. In other words, those in power have controlled people's family planning for their own gain, but now society is fed up with it and people want to decide about their own bodies. Why these people tend to pile up on the left, that I'm not so sure of.

Though of course, climate change and not wanting new children to put a strain on the planet is a thing for some people, too.



It's a huge issue because some people don't like it being legal and want to change it, and those who want it to remain legal are making noise so that it won't become illegal.

You clearly didn't think before posting this.

If I'd made "arguments", waited for Walrus to answer, and then complained and proclaimed that my arguments "should" have changed his mind, then your post might have some validity.

But what I did instead was refer to observable facts in the real world, facts that I'm sure Walrus was aware of before I brought them up, and then simply note that those facts clearly impacted us in different ways. Also, I didn't say anything about what Walrus "should" think; I merely noted that his value system was different to mine.

This sounds like a just-so story. I could just as easily construct a just-so story making the opposite argument, such as: "Powerful rulers want to keep their subject populations low, because the larger their subject populations are the more potential rebels there are who might depose them". As an example to support my just-so story, I could point to the historical phenomena of the court eunuchs, where some of a ruler's most loyal servants would be men who'd had their balls cut off.

I think it's simpler: when an average woman had to give birth to 4-5 children to keep the population stable, pressure on successful procreation was high. Now that nearly all children reach adulthood, the pressure can be eased.

. . . and to provide a sufficiently large labor force that was both cheap and expendable . . . . . . and that most can acquire employment skills that make them less cheap and less expendable . . . One thing that Big Business thrives on is cheap, expendable labor.  By denying any form of contraception to women, Right-Wing lawmakers heavily invested in (or by) Big Business can be assured that their businesses will earn a huge profit margin -- thus increased dividends.

But shrink the number of workers, and make it easy for the remaining workers to earn STEM degrees, and Big Business will have to rely on cheap, expendable immigrant labor instead.

But Right-Wingers do not seem to like immigrants . . .

Indeed, that's another aspect: post-neolithic pre-industrial society required a lot of workers (peasants, slaves, etc.) operating on most basic level, to keep the civilisation up.
With machines and fertilizers, it changed.

In our post-Neolithic pre-industrial society, the people who had all the social, sexual, and economic power (e.g., the men) had no competition because women were too busy being pregnant, raising children, performing housework, and obeying their husbands' orders.

All of that changed when women gained access to The Pill (America, circa 1960).

Suddenly, women could control when (or even if) they became pregnant and how many children they had.  Just as suddenly, post-Neolithic men no longer had as much power over their wives -- who no longer fit the "barefoot and pregnant" stereotype, and who could earn their own money and spend it however they pleased -- and post-Neolithic men were confronted with women as social, sexual, and economic equals, or even as superiors when women started gaining ground in management and leadership roles in business and industry.

When men are accustomed to Privilege, equality with women feels like a threat.

Men who rely on education know this, overcome it in themselves, and move on.

Men who rely on traditional privilege over women retreat into their Bibles to find justification therein to turn back the clock on women's social, sexual, and economic freedoms to regain their former power and "glory".

Before it was legal how did a lot of people handle the issue?

By having illegal abortions using riskier methods which sometimes were not survived by the women.

1. Women went away quietly until the baby was born, and then returned to their families and communities without it (no questions asked).

2. Women had their babies out of wedlock, and either: (a) lived in shame; (b) put their babies up for adoption; (c) abandoned their babies at orphanages; (d) abandoned their babies in the lakes, rivers, forests, mountains, and fields; or even (e) ended their babies' lives immediately after birth and then hid the bodies.

3. Women married their babies' fathers in 'shotgun' weddings, and endured years of abuse and neglect from their husbands who did not like being forced into marriage with someone they thought of as a "sl*t" or a "wh*re".

4. Women sought out herbal abortifacients to cause deliberate miscarriages -- many would die in the attempt.

5. Women threw themselves down stairs and off cliffs to cause deliberate miscarriages -- many would die in the attempt.

6. Women inserted all manner of objects and substances into their uteri to cause deliberate miscarriages -- many would die in the attempt.

7. Women went to clandestine abortionists who charged exorbitant fees for their (illegal) services, and who performed those services under less-then-sanitary conditions -- many would die in the attempt.

8. Women committed suicide rather than face all the "blame and shame" from their families and communities.

I hope these answer your question.

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Yep, and i'll Give Another Example of
What Happened to A Prominent Deacon
of a Protestant Church Where i Live Who Bought

My Old Camaro in 8,000 Dollars of Crisp Hundred

Dollar Bills For His Lovely Daughter Who Sadly

Was Told Abstinence Was the Only Way to

Control The Humanity

of the Reproductive

Urge; Some Months Later

A Dog Brought A Baby Part

Back to Their Home; it was a
Leg or Perhaps an Arm; Even More

Sadly the Young Woman Who Probably

Would Have Had a Successful Pregnancy and

Delivery, Felt She Had to Hide the Pregnancy in

Shame as Not to Be Shunned From Family or Church

So She Waited Until the Last Minute in the Woods When it

Was too Late to Seek Medical Care And the Baby Was 'Still Born' There

All For the Shame

of Just Being

A Human

Being With
Instinct Innate
And Intuition to Carry
The Species forward with A New Breath...

It's True the Problem for the Most Part
is the Ignorance of 'the Religion' that Still
Paints So Much Harm, Raping, Maiming, And

Killing in the Name of A Lesser God than Love For All...

Anyway, With That Said, Gonna Quote For Truth What our
Resident Electrical Engineer Already Brought to Light Again

For What Happens When Abortion is Not Legal too And Yes

This is the Kind of World Congregations Have Been Praying Again For in Churches for 49 Years;

Such an Evil Way of Doing Business in A Pandemic of Ignorance All the Way Around the World Indeed...

"1. Women went away quietly until the baby was born, and then returned to their families and communities without it (no questions asked).

2. Women had their babies out of wedlock, and either: (a) lived in shame; (b) put their babies up for adoption; (c) abandoned their babies at orphanages; (d) abandoned their babies in the lakes, rivers, forests, mountains, and fields; or even (e) ended their babies' lives immediately after birth and then hid the bodies.

3. Women married their babies' fathers in 'shotgun' weddings, and endured years of abuse and neglect from their husbands who did not like being forced into marriage with someone they thought of as a "sl*t" or a "wh*re".

4. Women sought out herbal abortifacients to cause deliberate miscarriages -- many would die in the attempt.

5. Women threw themselves down stairs and off cliffs to cause deliberate miscarriages -- many would die in the attempt.

6. Women inserted all manner of objects and substances into their uteri to cause deliberate miscarriages -- many would die in the attempt.

7. Women went to clandestine abortionists who charged exorbitant fees for their (illegal) services, and who performed those services under less-then-sanitary conditions -- many would die in the attempt.

8. Women committed suicide rather than face all the "blame and shame" from their families and communities."

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Yes, Yes, Additionally, Considering i Am Born in 1960, Soon Enough
On June 6th, i'm Well Aware That 'The Pill' in 1960, Cured A lot of the Ills

of Babies Being Born in the Woods Dead and Associated Women Dying And Such

As That; Yet Never the Less, THE PROBLEM IS STILL IN 'THE CHURCH'; As The One i Visit
Just to Study Still As A Real Participant Anthropology Observer, Plus Longest EPiC Long Form
Bible Poem Writer;
Yes, the Catholic

One, Demands

That Congregants

Still Use No Method of
Birth Control, Other than
the Frigging Rhythm Method; And

This Leads to Issues Among Protestant
Churches And Associated Religious Institutions Around the World too With
The Ignorance That Abstinence is All That is Required For Birth Control

As this Also Applies to the Spread of Aids Without Condoms
in African Countries And Other STD's Around the World too...

in Other Words,

Thank God NOT

For the Ignorance

oF All The Churches
And Other Religious Institutions Associated...

Anyway, BECAUSE OF FAMILY PLANNING AND ASSOCIATED
EFFECTIVE ACCESSIBLE AFFORDABLE CONTRACEPTION METHODS;

ABORTIONS NOW ARE ACTUALLY AT THE LOWEST LEVELS SINCE 1973,

THEN
WHEN
ROE
VERSUS
WADE WAS Settled

As the Religious Right
In "State of Bed With Politics"
Continues Now to Attempt to
Take Away the SEX Education,
Family Planning, And Contraceptive Methods

That Makes this Possible at All to Reduce Human Harm, Suffering AND DEATH.

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Well I just don't understand why do many people can't just give the kid up for adoption after. Am I missing something as to why that is so horrible?