Abortion regret

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Don’t fool yourself.
Women shame women too.

Oh yes; I remember witnessing it in high school.  I can easily imagine the same kind of b****iness going on long afterwards.

My take on this topic is focused on men trying to control women and their reproductive organs as if women had no say in the matter. There seem to be men who want to take all choices away from women, and not just their reproductive choices.

So a father of a fetus does not have the right to tell the mom not to abort it? Really? I think he has a right as the child's father.

What are women doing to their bodies? Just so that I make sure I understand what you are saying.....

No he does not because it's not his body that carries the pregnancy. And not all men even want to be fathers, should they be able to make a woman get an abortion if she wants to keep it and he doesn't? That said best to discuss these things before intimacy...to make sure you and your sexual partner are on the same page.

Also, women can get pregnant from rape, do you think a rapist should be able to not only rape a woman but also demand she has his baby because he's the father?

No, once the miracle of life is in motion, it is sin for anyone to murder unless it is in self-protection as in when someone is breaking into your home or ambushing you by the wayside, so a father should not have the right to make a woman abort her fetus/baby.

Yes, a father has a right to protect the life of his developing child. He might not be able to do this very much, but he does have the right to try and to have a say. The argument was that he had no right at all, which is just not true. A baby binds a man and woman together, at least while one of the parents keeps the child. If the child is given away, that bond is broken sooner than later.



That is a good point. If a man impregnates a woman against her will, as in true rape, then, no, that woman would not need to honor the father's wishes about anything. He abrogated any rights he might have had by perpetrating a sin against her in the act of conceiving. She could decide to change her mind as she wished, or the court can make her do things legally. But as to the question of the life of the child, we then default back to the fact that once life is created, it is not for man to take it away (except in self-defense).

Finally, God holds all life sacred, even if the created one has chromosomal differences. The arrangement of chromosomes or DNA, and dreams and desires of man/woman are not more important than life or God's will or plan.

But, not everyone follows your religious beliefs, so why should they have to abide by what your beliefs say?

I cannot control people, only tell them the truth. Everyone has free will to do whatever they like within the law.

If they know Christ, they will want to follow God's will and plans.

The question is how we shape the law...

Not comparable. The fetus that is gotten rid of is inside a woman and putting her health and life at risk (yes, all pregnancies and childbirths have this risk, though some less than others), but in any situation that is not pregnancy, no living being is inside of another living being, so ending it's life can't be considered self defense the way abortion can.

But abortion regret is indeed an important topic and should not be a taboo, that much I agree with. However, one woman's abortion regret should not be used as a weapon to try to convince another to not abort.

@MissMary227:

For what it's worth, I agree with you. You will find probably most people on this forum don't agree with us. I think it's important to at least approach abortion cautiously. That men will abuse the legality of abortion to pressure women into having them is not a rationale for eliminating abortion. But it IS my purpose to point out that the legality and availability of abortion (as with many other things, or even all things), has a darker side in which abortion is not used as a means of liberating women and women's bodies, but yet another weapon of the patriarchy.

As a matter of theology, it's easy to equate abortion with murder. I mean, you won't often struggle to convince another Christian that abortion is evil. But for us Christians, I think we tend to neglect the theological/spiritual significance of abortion because we are too distracted by legal definitions and anti-Christian/anti-theistic Enlightenment-era values. The disposal of the very young is nothing new. Ancient Greek literature/mythology includes examples of abandoned infants along with consequences. When Moses was born, the reigning king attempted to exterminate an entire generation of Israelite boys. Canaanites sacrificed infants to Moloch. King Herod ordered the execution of infants after the birth of Jesus. So we know from the Bible and extra-Biblical sources that these things happened and were even commonplace.

Modern-day abortion is merely secularized idolatry and is Satanic by extension.

I happen to believe that there are justifications for having abortions that are consistent with a Christian worldview. Causing the death of another person while acting in a necessary way to preserve your own life is not a sin. The Bible makes no distinctions between threats that are intentional and threats that are unintentional. There's no difference between someone operating heavy machinery not looking where he's going and an armed robber. And that principle extends to the unborn. The conditions are strictly that abortion is ONLY a medical, life-saving procedure, a last resort, and a decision that the woman is allowed to freely make (e.g. she can freely choose under no obligation to sacrifice her own life to save her baby). Given the state of medicine and medical technology, this is less and less the case.

Where I've noticed people on WP seem to struggle is with objective objections to abortion. Many of us get hung up on the idea that the father of the child might have an interest in the baby being born. Also, the state has an interest in the right of babies to be born. The interest of all of individuals is in self-preservation and the right to live. We shouldn't fear being murdered. And in a free society, we all already have the freedom to do as we please with our own bodies. It's in telling others what they can/can't do where it becomes a problem. This is normally applied to the relationships between women's rights and patriarchy. But it also applies to the relationship between women's interests and the interests of the unborn. There is a strong secular case against abortion. Somehow we are reluctant to acknowledge that.

Last edited by AngelRho on 12 Jan 2023, 4:18 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Personal private choice between a patient and their Doctor. None of the government's, fox news', or religions' business.

The issue at hand is no one who has been born has the right to use someone elses body or organs unless the person agrees to it. So why should the unborn be granted the right to use a persons body without consent, when no one else has that right?

Not to mention there is nothing beneficial about pregnancy to the pregnant person, even pregnancies that go smoothly take a toll on the body. The only reason to remain pregnant is because having a baby at the end is worth it to women who want to be mothers.

If someone does not want a baby, forcing them to endure pregnancy is basically just torture.

This. I agree the father’s rights and wishes matter too but the ultimate call has to be for the expectant mother. When they talk about situations where the mother’s life is at risk they need to also consider their mental health prognosis if forced to carry a child. The thread title speaks of abortion regret which certainly happens, but so does birth regret (unfortunately), and adoption regret. If we care about women’s mental health in regard to choosing abortion we also need to care about women’s mental health in every other scenario.

The key issue is mental health and treating women the same as men are treated. Men can deny paternity and walk away from pregnancy or parenting without knowing it even exists. Women need as close as possible to this opportunity since we are all equal under the law.

Hi, AngelRho. I like your username. What does it mean?

Self-defense, yes. We agree. But killing your baby is not self-defense.

If you are saying, as the Jews believe, that to kill the fetus to save the mother is biblically sound, then I disagree with that, and with the Jews who think that is okay. I have looked it up and I don't interpret any verses that way.



I see where you are going with this. You are saying that a mother has just as much right to defend her body from a foreign enemy as an internal enemy, as if the baby is attacking her unintentionally, but causing her harm nonetheless.

The bible does say one has the right to kill to protect himself.

But you cannot equate a conceived baby in utero to a malicious attacker, or even a non-malicious attacker. The baby is not attacking her, it is simply living and growing. An enemy attacker is meaning to do you harm, or take your stuff.

You all act as if pregnancy is this horrible event that is so bad for you and hurts your body. It is not! Pregnancy is beautiful and women are made to endure it well. Sure, they might complaint about it but pregnancy and labor and childrearing is part of women's curse. Just as man's curse it to work.



When would a woman need to sacrifice her unborn baby to save herself? Give me some scenarios. Because I am a midwife and I can't think of any viable ones that are not extremely far-fetched.



I say let women kill their babies if they must. It is a sin, but I cannot control what a woman does in her own home or life.
HEAR YE, HEAR YE, I give women the right to do what they want with their own bodies



If women are so concerned the patriarchy and we pro-lifers are going to get all up in her uterus, then she should know I'd like her to keep her uterus to herself. She is the one who does not want to keep her uterus to herself. She is the one who wants to forego privacy and hire a trained mercenary to assassinate her baby by inserting sharp instruments into her womb. Because she knows by herself she is truly left alone with her uterus and she hates that because she hates what her uterus produces. So it is a bald-faced lie that women and feminists tell themselves--and other gullible bystanders--that they don't want people to come between her and her vagina or reproductive 'care' or whatever the narrative is. She is too weak to carry out her threats of murder by herself and she knows it!

The whole abortion argument and narrative assumes the hiring of a third-party trained assassin!! !! ! Eliminate the assassin and give women the right to do whatever THEY want with THEIR bodies. And they will mostly continue the pregnancy (as they always have historically) and give the babies up for adoption or find another solution. Yes, they 'give up' a year of their life for another human being, but that is not a big deal in the scheme of life.

^ Are you just trying to say that home amteur abortions (the infamous coathanger) are okay but gynecology is not because someone gets hired to inspect your womb?
And that an abortion to save the mother's life is morally worse than letting them both die?
What's pro-life about that?

Just wanted to point out that I found it very peculiar for a user account claiming to be female, with a female gendered screen name, failed to include themselves even once when referencing females in their long winded religious fanaticism inspired misogynistic rant about reproductive rights.

And the one reference to the bible saying people have a right to kill to protect themselves doesn't say themselves, it says himself.

Makes me wonder if I know which young man is behind these posts.