Is Sexual Orientation Actively Changable?

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13 Aug 2007, 7:43 pm

Ragtime wrote:

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The key concept is acquired taste: a taste you don't have at first, but after practice you do.

Well I, for one, am not going to go and endure sex with people I don't want to sleep with, in tha hope that I might one day like them.

We don't all have to be open minded, I guess. Just those of us who see a benefit to it.

Forcing myself to sleep with men to try and 'turn' straight, isn't open-minded IMO. I see a benefit to just being with someone you actually want to be with.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:44 pm

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Don't assume that you understand their
minds better than they do.

I'm not. But I believe God. Have I figured out all the perfect applications for His truths? No, but at least I care what He says.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:46 pm

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

The key concept is acquired taste: a taste you don't have at first, but after practice you do.

Well I, for one, am not going to go and endure sex with people I don't want to sleep with, in tha hope that I might one day like them.

We don't all have to be open minded, I guess. Just those of us who see a benefit to it.

Forcing myself to sleep with men to try and 'turn' straight, isn't open-minded IMO. I see a benefit to just being with someone you actually want to be with.

Cue obvious life fact #w/e: "Often, greater benefits are attained through doing things you don't like to do."

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13 Aug 2007, 7:48 pm

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

Sopho wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

The key concept is acquired taste: a taste you don't have at first, but after practice you do.

Well I, for one, am not going to go and endure sex with people I don't want to sleep with, in tha hope that I might one day like them.

We don't all have to be open minded, I guess. Just those of us who see a benefit to it.

Forcing myself to sleep with men to try and 'turn' straight, isn't open-minded IMO. I see a benefit to just being with someone you actually want to be with.

Cue obvious life fact #w/e: "Often, greater benefits are attained through doing things you don't like to do."

But I don't believe in these 'greater benefits' you're talking about. So, for me, there would be no benefit. And I'm fully aware of that anyway, I do a lot of things I don't like, because I know I have to.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:52 pm

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Don't assume that you understand their
minds better than they do.

I'm not. But I believe God. Have I figured out all the perfect applications for His truths? No, but at least I care what He says.

or what you THINK He says.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:54 pm

greenblue wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

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Don't assume that you understand their
minds better than they do.

I'm not. But I believe God. Have I figured out all the perfect applications for His truths? No, but at least I care what He says.

or what you THINK He says.

Me and millions.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:54 pm

I still don't get why 'he' is written with a capital H when referring to this god thing. Since when did pronouns begin with capitals? And why is it not a 'she'?

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13 Aug 2007, 7:55 pm

Ragtime wrote:

greenblue wrote:

Ragtime wrote:

calandale wrote:

Don't assume that you understand their
minds better than they do.

I'm not. But I believe God. Have I figured out all the perfect applications for His truths? No, but at least I care what He says.

or what you THINK He says.

Me and millions.

Like I've said before, lots of people believing it means nothing. Millions of kids believe in Santa. There are also millions of people who believe in other religions. Can't all be right according to you though.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:59 pm

Sopho wrote:

I still don't get why 'he' is written with a capital H when referring to this god thing. Since when did pronouns begin with capitals? And why is it not a 'she'?

well, I hope is a She.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:59 pm

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And why is it not a 'she'?

'Twould be difficult to accept that a female
God would have condoned all the repression
of women which has been done over the
years, in the name of religion.

Though, given the bloodthirsty nature of
Christianity's history, kinda hard to see
calling Jesus the prince of peace.

Kinda like Lucifer, as the prince of light
and of darkness.

But not as pretty.

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13 Aug 2007, 7:59 pm

What are you talking about? It's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to change your sexuality, the same way you can't change the color of your eyes or the color of your skin. I wish I were straight, but I'm gay, so I have to accept it and deal with it and hopefully meet someone who feels the same way I do and wants to live with me and make a good life together...

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13 Aug 2007, 8:01 pm

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It's absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to change your sexuality, the same way you can't change the color of your eyes or the color of your skin.

And uhm, HOW do you know this?

Because, I'm pretty damned certain that I could.

Some people CAN change the color of their skin,
BTW. I've seen them come out of these coffin devices
looking all dark.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:05 pm

So, Ragtime, what if the shoe were in the other foot? What if I told you "Hey it's disgusting that you want to be with a woman, you need to have sex with men in order to be accepted and loved".
:idea: Could you REALLY do it? Think about it. That's how I feel.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:09 pm

calandale wrote:

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And why is it not a 'she'?

well, the God from the Bible, is clearly male, "The Father" obviously it had to be a male figure in a patriarchy society to be able to enforce the gender roles favoring men of course, and obviously plays a big role with the "unnatural and abominable" things described in the Bible.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:10 pm

[And uhm, HOW do you know this?]

Some people CAN change the color of their skin,
BTW. I've seen them come out of these coffin devices
looking all dark.[/quote]
I'm talking about the real color of their skin, it's a metaphor. And if you think you can change your sexual orientation, great. I've been with too many married men to know different.

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13 Aug 2007, 8:11 pm

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So, Ragtime, what if the shoe were in the other foot?.

You and he would still sound indistinguishable,
each claiming that you KNOW how everyone
else's sexuality works based only upon your
own subjective experience.

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