The reason why humans have no real alpha males

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13 Mar 2023, 2:09 pm

IsabellaLinton wrote:

I didn't watch the video and I'm not into this type of terminology or mindset, but I'm curious who supposedly determines which humans are "Alphas" or "Betas"?

Is that the person themselves, or a societal judgment, or a partner's judgment?

I'm perplexed.

I'm sure my idea of an Alpha male, for instance, would be society's idea of a Beta.

Are there at least such things as "Alpha Autistics" and "Beta Autistics" if such a horrible term must be used?

* I realise this thread is about Alpha / Beta not really existing, but I'm curious about the background of these concepts and where or how they originated in popular culture. If that's a derail, just ignore thanks.

Don't reply if you didn't watch the video, because the thread is about the video, and the video clearly explains why humans don't have real alphas/betas anymore unlike many other primates.

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13 Mar 2023, 2:21 pm

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If an alpha needs a coalition to achieve dominance, then it's not really much of an alpha, is it? If the group is the reason for success, it was the group that succeeded, not the individual.

Yes and no; but the alpha has perks. Like the president having the perk to live in the White house for example. :lol:

The alpha chimp has the most access to sex, while the subordinates has some.

In Gorillas, the dominant silverback is the only one with total access to sex.

Chimps defintely have a very complicated social structure, more complex than the extreme polygynous gorillas indeed, read: https://phys.org/news/2016-11-chimpanze ... -high.html

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Furthermore, if, as you agree, survival is tantamount, then a "beta" who continues to survive, while "alphas" are systematically replaced one after the other, is the one achieving the goal. And survival is what counts, right?

A study showed that the alpha chimps has higher level of cortisols, which means their live isn't bed of roses, it's stressful; because they can be killed/overthrowed in any moment.

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Red-pill or not, I still generally only hear "alpha" talk from the kinds of people who seek power, and want to justify taking it.

Rest assured, I have zero ambition to rule the world, or to rule anything.

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Having said that, what exactly is the point of this discussion? So humans have no "real alpha males". So what? Why does this matter? Who cares? I mean, neat "fact" or w/e, but, other than file it away with the number of dimples on a golf ball, how is this of interest or benefit?

Simply put, what's your angle here?

What's the point of the forums if not for discussions?

There's no agenda, you're trying very hard to expose a hidden agenda here, but there's none, stop trying.

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13 Mar 2023, 2:23 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:

Don't reply if you didn't watch the video, because the thread is about the video, and the video clearly explains why humans don't have real alphas/betas anymore unlike many other primates.

Thanks. Sorry for that. I'm really busy but wanted to take a shortcut. I'll try to get to it later.

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13 Mar 2023, 2:23 pm

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The guy in the video proposes that there is no alpha in humans as there is in primates. That is the alpha has an exclusivity in mating with the females of the group. In humans there is no such alpha in the sense of exlusivity of mating opportunity. In humans that becomes more egalitarian.

The video proposes that this shift towards a more egalitarian mating oportunity in males, lead to the evolution of our species. By steadily eliminating those with alpha tendencies we domesticated ourselves. If I understand correctly.

You go it totally right.

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