different faiths all lead to god?

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19 Aug 2007, 4:57 pm

JonnyBGoode wrote:

To me, that's not submission. That's slavery.

I agree. Which is JUST what the
Christian God seems to demand.

I prefer freedom.

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19 Aug 2007, 5:00 pm

JonnyBGoode wrote:

"You cant believe everything you read" doesn't necessarily mean "Don't believe everything you read."

Uhm, it should. One should never believe EVERYTHING
one reads.

Look, the history of the Bible makes it pretty clear that
this was a document heavily influenced by cultural and
political events of its time. Now, you can argue that, no
matter, 'tis somehow the intention of God that truth be
revealed in this manner, but one wonders WHY? Why not
some other random bit of text? Especially for those who
don't take it literally (doing so - with all it's inconsistencies
MIGHT just make someone understand the insanity which
is called God).

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19 Aug 2007, 5:09 pm

Allow me to amend then. What I meant was, "Don't believe anything you read."

And we're still straying off the original topic to bash people who have beliefs.

Of course, with this crowd, I should expect more? :roll:

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19 Aug 2007, 6:37 pm

JonnyBGoode wrote:

First of all, it's ARK, not ARC. If you're going to pretend to be an intelligent atheist, please at least learn to spell correctly.

Secondly, I did say - and I quote - "I'm not talking about the pre-Abrahamic stuff, there's a lot more to the Bible than that." Now if you know your Bible worth a salt, and it's obvious you don't, you'd know the whole Ark thing was included in "pre-Abrahamic stuff."

Third, to me it seems far more reasonable that if every culture on the planet has a myth about a great flood, it's far more likely to be based on some truth and have an original source, than be utterly made up wholecloth.

Fourth, I wasn't postulating the Ark as any sort of proof. You're the one that brought it up as a straw man and postulated it as a proof of Christianity. Which it is most decidedly not.

Fifth, I'd like to point out that the OP just posted that his "whole purpose of this thread wasnt to gang up on one particular religion." Or did you just blissfully ignore that in your obvious new attempt at bashing. Please at least try to pay attention.

I guessed the ark because I've heard people like you use that argument a thousand times, you come on here talking as if there is verifiable proof of your religion. Once again, people who fathom this so-called "proof" are people who are bending science to mold it into their already made up views. And it's those people who seem to think that forcibly subjugating all non-believers or believers of other faiths to their interpretation of biblical passage through legislation and political policies. And, as I stated in another thread, America is not a theocracy, get over it. America shouldn't cow toe to your personal beliefs and screw over everyone else.

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19 Aug 2007, 6:40 pm

I'm not bashing people who have beliefs, I'm bashing people who blindly follow a negative and popular interpretation of that belief, and I'm attacking people who use their religion as an excuse to be ignorant and careless to others.

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19 Aug 2007, 6:41 pm

It's not jesus I have a problem with, it's his fan club.

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19 Aug 2007, 6:53 pm

richardbenson wrote:

you know looking back i think that ALL faiths lead to the same god, they just have different missions. for example buddism you learn meekness and something else, i admit im not an expert on alot of the worlds religions but this seems to make alot of sence.
islam you learn submission, christianity you learn forgiveness and so on and so forth

thoughts?

JohnnyBGoode: Where is he slagging off at other religions in his opening statement? I do wish YOU would pay attention sometimes....

If different religions lead to one god, then that would mean everyone is going to end up in the one place. I believe that there may be many interpretations for each religion, and though with my pagan beliefs meaning I don't follow Jehovah, doesn't make those beliefs any less important than those of Christians, Muslims etc. If Christians want to belive in Their god, fine; but don' bother trying to convert the others to your way just because you think you are right. Remember, Christianity still is in the minority on Earth.

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19 Aug 2007, 8:19 pm

Did Jesus not say in the bible "teach those who would listen"? That doesn't mean however, you could put their head on the chopping block and say "listen and do as we say or die", which is the impression I get from theocratic christians.
All major religions are subject to interpretation, barely anything spoken in the bible, the koran, the talmud, buddhist scriptures, pagan mythologies, hindu vedas, or any of it is so cut and dry that there is only one way to interpret it.
At one time the popular interpretation of Christianity stated that "slaves obey your masters", so is it ok in your opinion to own slaves too?

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19 Aug 2007, 8:23 pm

JonnyBGoode wrote:

We're not bashing PEOPLE who have beliefs, we're just bashing the beliefs themselves, which is within the TOS. Get used to it.

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19 Aug 2007, 11:18 pm

JonnyBGoode wrote:

The Bible is a historical document, recording historical things in a historical framework. Most of those events have been shown by archaeology to have occurred the way the Bible relates.

That's true to some degree. Yeah, some events from the Bible actually happened, and I actually find it interesting, and that attracts me a little actually to see these stuff in a historical and archaeological way and get an idea of how people lived in those days and stuff like that.

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20 Aug 2007, 12:54 am

the flood story and the bible rippped off from the sumerians. i dont belive anything the bible says unless its not in there like the gospel of thomas, and peter& such

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20 Aug 2007, 12:57 am

richardbenson wrote:

the flood story and the bible rippped off from the sumerians. i dont belive anything the bible says unless its not in there like the gospel of thomas, and peter& such

I agree. Everything BUT the gospel of thomas seems a bit shaky.

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20 Aug 2007, 1:00 am

i love the gospel of thomas :wink:

cal you should read all the other books that didint make it in the bible

you'd be suprised about how much more sence it makes

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20 Aug 2007, 1:05 am

Read quite a bit of the gnostic stuff.
My wife was taking a class on it.

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20 Aug 2007, 1:16 am

cool. heres the gospel of adam&eve

http://www.hiddenmysteries.com/freebook ... meve1.html

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20 Aug 2007, 1:33 am

JonnyBGoode wrote:

Christians say Jesus was the Messiah, the foretold savior of mankind. Jews say he wasn't. Muslims say he was just a prophet, and New Agers say he was a guru. Buddhists say there is no God, or God is a force, Hindus and Mormons say there are many gods. Jews, Christians and Muslims assert there is only one. Christians and Muslims believe in an afterlife when you die, Hindus and Buddhists believe you get reborn and have to do it all over again.

It's difficult to see how any God could create a multitude of conflicting religions with the intent that they all lead to Him. They can't all be right.

Meaning that it's more likely to believe that either (a) none of them is right, or (b) one of them is, but if one is, the others can't be.

I'm late on the scene, but this is more or less what I would have written if I'd gotten here sooner.

While it's interesting to note that many cultures value the same ideas and virtues, there are fundamental teachings within every major religion that prohibit the notion that the others are also correct.

Baha'i is a tradition that appears in many ways to be a sort of syncresis of the major world religions, but the baha'is themselves do not regard their faith as such and their teachings are in stark contrast with key points of Judiasm, Christianity and Islam.

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