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Think talking of Religion has more eggshells to step over than politics .
Mountaingoat ..

JWs don’t think that people in other Christian denominations are true Christians. I find it all extremely irritating because, once again, we’re talking about personal identity. People should be free to identify as they see fit without other people telling them that it’s wrong.

JWs do profess belief in the teachings of Jesus. They are Christians. I consider them to be a Christian cult.

I reject Jesus because I consider much of the Bible fiction, so I’m not a Christian.

It’s pretty basic.

Last edited by TwilightPrincess on 05 Nov 2023, 9:53 am, edited 1 time in total.

No I know. You just made me second guess myself. It was years ago when I knew him and it's a very vague memory.

They might’ve been less anti-education back in the day or he might’ve converted as an adult. There are various possibilities. Some locations are slightly more relaxed with the expectations, too.

My point is that JW's where I come from have very different views about the roots of what Christianity is.

I am guessing American JW's are much closer to Christianity than their European counterparts? As over here they say they follow Christ but what they mwan by that when one goes to their churches and learns more about their beliefs it is very different teaching to what I would call Christianity.
I can pick out differences to what British JW's believe and what others believe all day. (Which is why I believe that American JW's must believe different things from their British equivalent?)

The main importance to anydenominational Christian teaching is that it is a one to one relationship with God directly through Jesus Christ and the very spiritual experience of being "Born again". This personal one to one experience is the point where one becomes a Christian. I had this experience when I was around 13 to 14 (No one told me to remember the date). I wasn't a Christian before then. After that point I could hear God and talk to God. The Bible suddenly came alive as the Holy Spirit taught me about the Word of God. I am not one who pushes myself to read the Bible as if I try to read it y my own efforts without God, it does not sink in?
I know a man who is intelligent but due to his upbringing, has never learned to read or write. Give him a book and he can't read it! BUT, God gave him the ability to read the Bible. (But for some reason only the King James version. Give him any other Bible and he can't read it. I thought he was joking until I passed him other books without thinking, as I was so used to him reading the Bible out, that I completely forgot he can't read and write).
I have seen many of the miracles in acts take place today along with various healings. One can feel the lresence of the Holy Spirit and knows something is going to happen! I have never felt anything like this in any JW meeting I have attended or quite a number of Christian denomination meetings. It just does not happen as their teachings nullify the Gospel message (They refuse to believe the miriacle healings and other miraculous events happen today nd their lack of faith is why they never see them happening. They are knkwn as "Dead churches", as they preach the Gospel, but excuse it away as being a past event which they claim does not happen today! (If it does not happen today, then why do the scriptures include specific teachings on their use?)

I am not trying to say that others are doing things wrong as my aim is to steer people towards finding that real relationship with God through Jesus Christ. It is real. It is not one saying it is real just to pretend it is real. This is different!

And to me it does not matter if one goes to church or not, or what church it is. What matters is that one reads the Bible exactly as it says so that the scriptures come alive in a very real and spiritual way which directly effects the physical, as this is how healings tske place and the impossible becomes the possible!

Many Christians do not believe in the “born again” stuff. Some Christians are “Born Again Christians;” others are not. Once again, having different views on certain things does not mean that one is NOT a Christian. It comes down to personal identity and belief in the teachings of Jesus. People can and do interpret his teachings and the Bible overall differently. That doesn’t mean that they aren’t Christian.

JWs are the same everywhere and have the same core beliefs and teachings. Sometimes a specific congregation might be a little more liberal than another, but for the most part, they are the same.

They are all Christian.

I have never seen any proof or evidence that miracles or faith healing exist. It’s dangerous because it causes many to die from failing to seek appropriate medical treatment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3153535/

JWs are right about some things - not believing in faith healing is one of them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-vcxHxScOMw

Hmm, Gonna Need A Woman With A Very, Extreeemeely
Powerful Push Up Bra, And White Limousine For This One

For God Damned Sure, Ever to Bring LoVE iN Peace to Life;

Bottom Lines of the Whole God Damned Old

Dusty Antiquated Bible(s); Just A Frigging

Old Poetry Book(s) Anthology Mixed-UP and Matched-UP

With Innumerable Ghost Authors

And Scribes Writing Whatever the
Hell or Heaven They Wanted to;

Of Course, Edited By Folks Who

Wanted to Expand Empires Like

The Roman One of Course, Hand in Hand

With So-Called Religious Officials; Anyway, Here's the

Bottom Lines IF THAT
So-Called Version(s) Then

of God TheNoW Both in the Old
And New Testament(s) was Any
Where Close to a Decent Human

Being; That He Or Whatever iT WaS Wouldn't

Be Psychopathically Torturing Any God Damned
Part of Nature Forever, For Any Hannibal The
Cannibal God Damned Reason; Jesus F in Christ,

There Is NEVER A Human As Evil as That; The

Bar is Set So Low That No Human Will Ever Possibly
Match the Fiction of that iMaGiNaRY Nightmare Brought to Fruition

in the Worst
Evil Text

Possible

By Human
Beings With Morals
or Ethics At All Except
to Subjugate, Control, and Master

Others Through a System of Faux
NewS iN Carrots And Sticks to Puppeteer Ignorance;

Anyway, Ignorance is Part of the Human Condition; i Will
Forgive that Much And Still Dance Sing For A REAL God of LoVE iN Peace

That is
Real And
Deep Within

As i Have No Problem
Forgiving Ignorance that
Has No Teeth as i Visit that place Next...

(With An Extra Standard Time Hour This Morning, i Might
Arrive Before it even Starts Hehe (We'll See Soon Enough)

Limitless Versions of Jesus and Other Idol Gods are
As Numerous in Differences as Verses in that
Old Bible And So Much More That Brings Evil

And Good to Life

in What We Humans

Are Capable of Bringing;

Hell or Heaven on Earth; Dear Devil

God; Oh Dear Lord LoVE iN Peace, Plenty of Evidence
These Days Of How Old Desert God's, Older T's and Newer T's,
Still Motivate Humans to Torture Each Other Literally to Death...

You Know What, the Human

Condition Isn't Just Sad;

It's F iN Cruel

And Unusual

Punishment

When Desert
God's Still Rule
Parts of the World
And Human Ignorance Still...

Hey, at Least 'They' Got the Bit
About LoVE iN Peace in a Small Part
of the Book(s); God Damn The Rest; i'll Cherry
Pick that Part' and Vomit Up the Rest and Just Let IT, 'R.I.P'...

Square Root, One Problem; When Humans Start Labeling Nature
With Words; Both Theirs and The Rest; They Materially Reduce Nature

And Just

F iN
Get Lost...

From What's
Even Real Like
LoVE iN Peace FEELS;

It Appears That Some

Ghost Author/Scribe Tried to
BRing That to LiGHT and LiFE
In ThaT Old Antiquated Dusty Book(s)...

Yet As Usual,

Dust to Dust

Continues to Rule

For What LoVE iN Peace
is Still Not Able to Even Touch....

Jesus F in Christ, When Will 'They'
Ever Truly 'Roll Away the Stone'
And Create A Real Greek
Original Definition
Of Apocalypse
That Simply
Means Lifting
The Veils oF iGNoRaNCE
Yet Such Is The Condition
Of 'The Condition' For Real LoVE iN Peace...

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Why should people die? One goes to church and if one is not healed there and then one sees a doctor (Or some see a doctor and if they are not healed via the medical profession they begin to pray. Praying first is easier though!)
I don't know the answers... I just know God can heal and often does.

Lets say God does not heal. I would be dead by now through the lack of healthcare in my area. So one can argue that the healthcare system should be avoided. But that is silly, as God also gives the healthcare system and He provides expert people to correct things that happen in our bodies that need attention.

I can give examples feom my family that shocked the medical profession. Had a medical expert turn the xray backto front to try and look round it to find the break which was completely healed with no evidence it was there. And my brothers bone was sticking out his leg when they saw him a few weeks earlier! MyDad prayed for him and he was completely healed! Not even a crack or any evidence of a break on the xrays!

^ If God can heal, why doesn’t he heal the children who die from painful illnesses every year? Think about it seriously. If he’s all-powerful and all-knowing, God would have to be a major a**hole to not cure people just because they don’t have the right beliefs or didn’t pray for it correctly. It seems more likely that he doesn’t heal people at all, going with the assumption that he exists.

All of that is a thought exercise. The main issue is a lack of evidence. Faith healing does more harm than good because it causes people to forego necessary medical treatment.

Perhaps in cases where people claim to be healed by faith, they would’ve gotten better anyway. It’s impossible to prove that faith was responsible for the alleged healing.

Mark 6: 4-13.

Jesus could not heal them because of their unbelief.

(I say this to explain).

I thought anything was possible with God (Matthew 19:26).

How dare those babies and children not believe!

Once again, people can believe anything. It doesn’t mean that it’s true. What’s important is what the evidence demonstrates.

Sometimes faith healing can have positive effects on one’s health just like a positive attitude can, but it doesn’t cure cancer, appendicitis, or a brain tumor. Pursuing appropriate medical care is vital in most cases if one wants to live no matter what their religious beliefs are.

Last edited by TwilightPrincess on 05 Nov 2023, 11:51 am, edited 1 time in total.

This kinda makes him sound like he's just another huckster.

The magic didn't work, some of you didn't clap for me.

One must only acknowledge the times where it supposedly worked. There must be something wrong with the people spiritually who it didn’t work for.

Confirmation bias.

Reliance on anecdotal evidence.

Magical thinking.

Come on. Think we are getting no where. What is happening today was predicted many years ago way before I was born, and things are going to get worse as we reach a point where if time wasn't cut short no one would survive.

Easy to say all this but not so easy to live in it.

Predicting that the most conflict prone region on earth would continue to see conflict isn't that impressive of prediction.

Intelligent people would have noticed the cycle of life thousands of years ago. Life has a tendency to repeat itself. If you notice these things then its quite easy to predict the future. There's nothing mystical about it.