The Catholic Church is NOT a force for good

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Reciting a greater number of "hail Marys" then the number of "our Fathers" does NOT make Mary "above God" (as you said in another post).

I deal with low level hourly supervisors in my job far more often then I deal with salaried district managers.

An infantry grunt deals with sergeants more often than he deals with the Secretary of Defense.

So the fact that Mary is the bellhop who has to jump to it to answer to praying mortals more times than God has to makes her lower in the chain of command. Not higher!

Mary is obviously lower ranking than God.

But they do elevate Mary higher than does any other Christian sect.

Last edited by naturalplastic on 22 Nov 2023, 10:46 am, edited 1 time in total.

Exactly. Mary worship maybe heresy, or at least flirting with heresy.

But the fault is not with the RCC, but with a flaw in Christianity itself (and Islam and Judaism as well). Humans (both men and women) seem to crave a God that occasionally shows a female face.

Over the last two thousand years the church of Rome gradually succumbed to human nature and slowly gradually promoted the rank of the mother of christ in order to meet that human need. And now...she is the fourth member of the Trinity in all but name only in Catholicism.

I think part of the problem is that Yahweh is insufficient as far as gods go - not exactly what I would call cuddly (or reasonable/humane/sane). Thus, the need for Jesus and then Mary.

Of course, if you’re going to deify Christ then it would make sense that Mary would be someone special. According to scripture, she was just a good woman, though.

People often choose to go with what makes sense and sounds nice over what the Bible actually says. I think straying far from the Bible is often a good thing, so I’m not knocking it. If it were me and I had to choose between the two, I’d ditch Yahweh altogether and worship Mary instead.

I don’t like genocidal, homicidal, infanticidal, megalomaniacal deities.

Then you would hate every Pagan deity aswell (and Im talking the true pagan deities not the fluffy feel-good crap that wiccans and neopagans have bastardized.)

Not even close. Mary is no where near the level of the Trinity. We ask for her help, but don't worship her. The most popular prayer to Mary is the Hail Mary, the first half of it is completely from the Bible, are you saying the angel Gabriel is worshiping Mary? The second half of the prayer is asking her to pray for us. No worship at all.

Speaking of Mary, did you guys know that in the old days Japanese Christians would use images and statues of Kannon the Goddess of Mercy and Compassion in place of Mary statues to avoid religious persecution by the Shogunate?

https://rwsmith.omeka.net/exhibits/show/maria-kannon

Which also reminds me of the brown-skinned Mary known as "Our Lady of Guadalupe" in Mexican Catholicism who is actually based off an Aztec Goddess known as Tonantzin.

https://www.theyucatantimes.com/2021/12 ... guadalupe/

So Mother Mary is literally every Goddess!

I believe in a way she is like an attempt to connect a female face to the patriarchal system of Christiainity. After all it's human nature to want a protective and nurturing mother figure. That's precisely why you have motherly Goddesses in other religions like Isis and Gaia and some of the oldest carved deities ever found were in the shape of women. I'm not trying to say that Mary actually is a Goddess, but to some Christians she's close enough to what humans have a deep seeded need for.

Catholics created most mainstream science and the current system we live in. They are certainly a force for evil resurrecting old pagan practices while pretending to be "christians".

"Being a force for good" has never been the mission statement

"Pagans" are not evil. Do you even know what that word really means?

I certainly do. Just because your version isn't evil doesn't take away from the fact of what pagan societies have done over the course of history... from sacrificing their own child, self mutilation, to the killing of innocents. These are historical facts. Still present in modern times, from abortion to vaccines.

↑ Ah-HAH!

An Anti-Vaxxer.

That explains a lot.

Great... another one of those.

I've got to say that this is a really cool work of art. It's like my house on Saturdays.

"anti vaxer" "conspiracy theorist" blah blah blah..

Imagine not being able to comprehend basic English and throwing out accusatory buzz words to silence those that oppose your media made opinions. To me it's intellectual cowardice, but to each there own.

Last edited by Nagolbud on 17 Dec 2023, 6:44 pm, edited 1 time in total.

You guys both have pretty crazy ideas regarding Catholics.

Imagine trying to insist this is what's occurred when really it's just people don't agree with your guano informed take.