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07 Dec 2023, 7:02 pm

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But having said that you're never going to convince me I'd be better off living under Communism. I find it highly ironic when people like you condemn the US for its bigotry towards homosexuals and transgenders but will turn a blind eye to countries like Cuba which have done much worse.


I have never said I wanted communism to take over? I also would not want to live in China, Cuba or Russia nor would I lend support to them (although I also would want to stay neutral in the Ukraine conflict).

I'll give you another example. It's currently fashionable to be against the Israeli government treatment of Palestinians. Many US College students support Palestine's right to defend themselves and form their own nation free of Israel. But does that mean those students want to live under HAMAS in an islamic state? Of course not,



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07 Dec 2023, 7:03 pm

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There's a difference between socialism and communism as political theories and the way that Communism was implemented in an authoritarian way in several Communist countries. .


Tell that to the MAGA crowd.



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07 Dec 2023, 7:07 pm

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But having said that you're never going to convince me I'd be better off living under Communism. I find it highly ironic when people like you condemn the US for its bigotry towards homosexuals and transgenders but will turn a blind eye to countries like Cuba which have done much worse.


I have never said I wanted communism to take over? I also would not want to live in China, Cuba or Russia nor would I lend support to them (although I also would want to stay neutral in the Ukraine conflict).

I'll give you another example. It's currently fashionable to be against the Israeli government treatment of Palestinians. Many US College students support Palestine's right to defend themselves and form their own nation free of Israel. But does that mean those students want to live under HAMAS in an islamic state? Of course not,


As I said in another topic already, I'm not touching the Israel-Palestine thing with a 100 ft pole ever again. It seems to me like if I support one or the other it makes me either an antisemite or a an islamophobe.

As far as I'm concerned it's not my problem. I just like to do tarot readings on that shitstorm of a situation and guess the outcome for fun.


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07 Dec 2023, 7:13 pm

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And what exactly makes people who support American Communism think that our leaders won't pull the exact same crap that Russia, China, North Korea, and Cuba did?


I think a society has to be mindful of being drawn towards authoritarians regardless of the economic model they adopt.

Leninism almost certainly reflects Russian society's need for strongmen. This form of communism was widely exported to places that had always been authoritarian and autocratic, or less often was directly imposed by the Soviets on their neighbours.

In the era we're in, it seems like the main threat of totalitarianism is coming from the right. That's not to say there aren't still authoritarians on the left, only that their ideologies aren't very popular among the left.

Most lefties don't want to live under a Leninist dictatorship either.


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07 Dec 2023, 7:21 pm

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As I said in another topic already, I'm not touching the Israel-Palestine thing with a 100 ft pole ever again. It seems to me like if I support one or the other it makes me either an antisemite or a an islamophobe.

As far as I'm concerned it's not my problem. I just like to do tarot readings on that shitstorm of a situation and guess the outcome for fun.


My point is that people can get involved without buying into a doctrine wholesale. I'm not a supporter of HAMAS but I respect people's right to be pro-Palestinian without labelling them as "Islamic" which is absurd,

Likewise supporting socialist principles of welfare and minimum wages, an end to racism would be equally absurd to label them as communist and claiming they want to live in a communist country.



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07 Dec 2023, 7:23 pm

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Likewise supporting socialist principles of welfare and minimum wages, an end to racism would be equally absurd to label them as communist and claiming they want to live in a communist country.


If one holds those views and works in education they'll be accused of being a communist infiltrator by people who believe in the cultural Bolshevism conspiracy theory.


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07 Dec 2023, 7:27 pm

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If one holds those views and works in education they'll be accused of being a communist infiltrator by people who believe in the cultural Bolshevism conspiracy theory.


Isn't that what De Satan is enacting as law in Florida right now? not to mention other red states.



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07 Dec 2023, 7:30 pm

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If one holds those views and works in education they'll be accused of being a communist infiltrator by people who believe in the cultural Bolshevism conspiracy theory.


Isn't that what De Satan is enacting as law in Florida right now? not to mention other red states.


I believe it's even happened in this very thread. :nerdy:


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07 Dec 2023, 7:38 pm

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cyberdad wrote:
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If one holds those views and works in education they'll be accused of being a communist infiltrator by people who believe in the cultural Bolshevism conspiracy theory.


Isn't that what De Satan is enacting as law in Florida right now? not to mention other red states.


I believe it's even happened in this very thread. :nerdy:


Except now young Americans have replaced the word communist with woke.



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07 Dec 2023, 7:50 pm

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As I said in another topic already, I'm not touching the Israel-Palestine thing with a 100 ft pole ever again. It seems to me like if I support one or the other it makes me either an antisemite or a an islamophobe.

As far as I'm concerned it's not my problem. I just like to do tarot readings on that shitstorm of a situation and guess the outcome for fun.


My point is that people can get involved without buying into a doctrine wholesale. I'm not a supporter of HAMAS but I respect people's right to be pro-Palestinian without labelling them as "Islamic" which is absurd,

Likewise supporting socialist principles of welfare and minimum wages, an end to racism would be equally absurd to label them as communist and claiming they want to live in a communist country.


I think you completely missed my whole point about the conversation I had with my sister. One can't claim to support my rights as a gay man and then turn a blind eye to communists who would supress my rights as a gay man just because they hate the US so much.


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07 Dec 2023, 8:22 pm

Just face it. Communist wannabes here in the West are really nothing more than hypocrites. They vainly believe that they're above the American Imperialist mindset but they wish to force their pseudo-ideaology on the world because they think "they know best".

Typical colonial mindset from people who think they are so above it. :roll:


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07 Dec 2023, 8:40 pm

i really wished there was more respect here for "the third way."



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07 Dec 2023, 8:42 pm

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i really wished there was more respect here for "the third way."


What is that auntblabby?


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07 Dec 2023, 8:52 pm

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Just face it. Communist wannabes here in the West are really nothing more than hypocrites.  They vainly believe that they're above the American Imperialist mindset but they wish to force their pseudo-ideaology on the world because they think "they know best".  Typical colonial mindset from people who think they are so above it.
Their hypocrisy is most blatant when they profess Communist philosophy while living as Capitalists.

Did you ever notice that whenever Communists call for sharing the wealth it is always someone else's wealth they want to share and not their own?



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07 Dec 2023, 8:57 pm

Fnord wrote:
RedDeathFlower13 wrote:
Just face it. Communist wannabes here in the West are really nothing more than hypocrites.  They vainly believe that they're above the American Imperialist mindset but they wish to force their pseudo-ideaology on the world because they think "they know best".  Typical colonial mindset from people who think they are so above it.
Their hypocrisy is most blatant when they profess Communist philosophy while living as Capitalists.


Like my sister trying to lecture me about the joys of communism in Fidel's Cuba while buying overpriced coffee at Starbucks. :lol:

(I will stop at this though because she was very nice to me taking me to Japan with her...)


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07 Dec 2023, 8:58 pm

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Did you ever notice that whenever Communists call for sharing the wealth it is always someone else's wealth they want to share and not their own?


Yes.

Edit: Lemme rephrase that. Yes, rhey're taught that we need to force rich businessmen and politicians to share the spoils wealth, but they're perfectly fine letting Hollowood's limousine liberals have all the wealth and fame they desire provided they don't say anything to offend wokeism. :P


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