The "shaved-headed tracksuit Slav" stereotype

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26 Dec 2023, 5:20 pm

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I don't know why, but I really like the word gopnik.

I don't know why, but I like wearing tracksuits and listening to hardbass.

TBH, I'm probably a bit behind, because I thought the tracksuits were supposed to be a mafia stereotype these days.

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26 Dec 2023, 5:21 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't know why, but I really like the word gopnik.

I don't know why, but I like wearing tracksuits and listening to hardbass.

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26 Dec 2023, 5:32 pm

MatchboxVagabond wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't know why, but I really like the word gopnik.

I don't know why, but I like wearing tracksuits and listening to hardbass.

TBH, I'm probably a bit behind, because I thought the tracksuits were supposed to be a mafia stereotype these days.

I believe they're pretty well-established in both.

'80s rappers and '90s nu-metal bands were also fans of them.

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26 Dec 2023, 5:37 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't know why, but I really like the word gopnik.

The suffix "nik" means "someone who is involved in the prefix thing".

Like "beatnik", or "no-good-nik".

So a "gopnik" would be..."someone who is involved with the G.O.P."?

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26 Dec 2023, 5:49 pm

naturalplastic wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I don't know why, but I really like the word gopnik.

The suffix "nik" means "someone who is involved in the prefix thing".

Like "beatnik", or "no-good-nik".

So a "gopnik" would be..."someone who is involved with the G.O.P."?

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The collective noun is gopota (Russian: гопота). The subculture of gopota has its roots in working-class communities in the late Russian Empire and gradually emerged underground during the later half of the 20th century in many cities in the Soviet Union. It was in the late 1980s and throughout the 1990s, during the collapse of the Soviet Union and its associated rise in poverty that saw the gopota subculture truly come to fruition and flourish.

So gopota + nik.

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26 Dec 2023, 5:57 pm

Popular look back in 80s punk

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26 Dec 2023, 6:02 pm

cyberdad wrote:

Popular look back in 80s punk

I'd say it was a lot more associated with hip-hop than punk.

Hardcore punk in the 90s eventually adopted hip-hop fashion, but that didn't happen until beatdown/tough guy hardcore started taking off.

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26 Dec 2023, 6:53 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

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Popular look back in 80s punk

I'd say it was a lot more associated with hip-hop than punk.

Hardcore punk in the 90s eventually adopted hip-hop fashion, but that didn't happen until beatdown/tough guy hardcore started taking off.

I think the look influenced both. Hiphop and some elements of punk. the tracksuit look also evolved from punk into Grunge in the 1990s. It was also pretty popular in electropop. Even now a lot of DJs like Diplo have that look.

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26 Dec 2023, 7:45 pm

cyberdad wrote:

funeralxempire wrote:

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Popular look back in 80s punk

I'd say it was a lot more associated with hip-hop than punk.

Hardcore punk in the 90s eventually adopted hip-hop fashion, but that didn't happen until beatdown/tough guy hardcore started taking off.

Pretty sure grunge was mostly associated with flannel and jeans. Basically, trying to look like you bought your clothes from a lumberjack's donations to the thrift store.

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26 Dec 2023, 8:10 pm

For some reason I have a very clear memory of myself and other Aussie 20-30 something grunge fans wearing t-shirts and track suit tops. I certainly had a few tracksuits - called them trackie dackies...

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26 Dec 2023, 8:14 pm

Maybe it was an Australian grunge thing. In the US, it was jeans (sometimes with holes or fray), flannel shirts, and t shirts, not tracksuits.

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26 Dec 2023, 8:30 pm

No flanel shirts only became a thing in the early 2000s. My look in the 1990s was
shaved head
stripy black tracksuit top
white tshirt
skinny jeans
Adidas shoes

I know because it kind of cloned what other guys were wearing in Melbourne at that time, Might have been a Melbourne thing.

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26 Dec 2023, 8:31 pm

Flannel shirts were extremely popular in the 90s in the US.

I wouldn’t consider the look you are describing as “grunge.” It could be different depending on the country, I suppose.

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26 Dec 2023, 8:34 pm

I'm thinking Australian male fashion tended to be a few years behind the US. Yes flanel shirts were popular in the 2000s. Also the Australian music scene was a little seperate from the US until the 2000s. During the 80s/90s we followed a lot of British bands and electropop.

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26 Dec 2023, 8:41 pm

It's definitely fair that fandoms of the same music in different areas might dress differently.

Beyond that, often people are involved in multiple subcultures, and not always consciously. If a certain music style and a certain fashion sense are both popular in a region, the overlap might only be coincidental.

Say for example, east coast hardcore in the 80s often followed a skinhead aesthetic, by the 90s it often adopted more of a hip-hop influenced aesthetic. It's just a reflection of how the (mostly) white, mostly urban kids in those neighbourhoods dressed. In other regions bands and fans dressed differently (with a general theme of not looking outlandish like street punk bands), and generally just in a manner that could be described as low-key.

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26 Dec 2023, 8:49 pm

funeralxempire wrote:

It's just a reflection of how the (mostly) white, mostly urban kids in those neighbourhoods dressed. In other regions bands and fans dressed differently (with a general theme of not looking outlandish like street punk bands), and generally just in a manner that could be described as low-key.

Yeah that's fair. I would define the late 90s male fashion as "Melbourne street" or "Melbourne urban" which might have been our own subculture

For example the "hispter" subculture in the 2010s is often associated with Melbourne > Sydney.

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