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29 Dec 2023, 12:24 am

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That requires the vast majority of people to understand human needs and regulate the system.It's difficult


Hence why education must be free. People must learn about their basic needs. Paying with money is useless as even the poorest wouldn't be able to afford for basic education in these times.

This is one of the few things I can be proud of


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29 Dec 2023, 12:25 am

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That requires the vast majority of people to understand human needs and regulate the system.It's difficult
Hence why education must be free. People must learn about their basic needs. Paying with money is useless as even the poorest wouldn't be able to afford for basic education in these times.
Idealism . . . what a waste.

How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?


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29 Dec 2023, 12:34 am

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Socialism and Relationships???

I believe in the idea that under a socialist society, there would be a safe haven for all lonely men and women called "MAROF" (Ministry of Marriages, Romantic Relationships, and Friendships). The MAROF would work in a way that it would offer protection and ensure healthy relationships among the working-class. With the major MAROF centers placed in big cities, the smaller ones, as well as suburban areas would have small offices called "consultaries" where they would offer advice regarding human relationships. . .
Interesting speculation. I suspect there must be dozens of books in the Fantasy & Science-Fiction section of your local bookstore that feature stories on the very subject.

So you want the government to issue to you your very own wife/housemaid/breeder . . .

Ain't gonna happen, kiddo.


It doesn't happen so quickly. The MAROF system is not implemented instantly. First phase is getting the national population census. Second is the establishment of the networks of consultaries and forestalls throughout the regions of the country. Third and final is the recruitment of individuals who have expertise on human relationships. People have the free right to choose whether to have or not have partners in their lives. People have the right to seek for love without facing the consequences of the capitalist system of wasting huge loads of money on stuff that may not impress their partners at all because wealth is not the priority. As I've phrased myself, "The Price of Love is Kindness!" and it should be always that the real and in-person interaction between two people will lead to an established bond instead of a screen on a device that offers no feeling of real comfort.


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29 Dec 2023, 12:35 am

Fnord wrote:
Yugoslav1945 wrote:
belijojo wrote:
That requires the vast majority of people to understand human needs and regulate the system.It's difficult
Hence why education must be free. People must learn about their basic needs. Paying with money is useless as even the poorest wouldn't be able to afford for basic education in these times.
Idealism . . . what a waste.

How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?


It will. You just have to MAKE IT happen. You can't dream about it 24/7. You have your own dreams and goals. If you want them, you MUST DO IT! Don't wait!


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29 Dec 2023, 12:44 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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That requires the vast majority of people to understand human needs and regulate the system.It's difficult
Hence why education must be free. People must learn about their basic needs. Paying with money is useless as even the poorest wouldn't be able to afford for basic education in these times.
Idealism . . . what a waste.

How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?


It will. You just have to MAKE IT happen. You can't dream about it 24/7. You have your own dreams and goals. If you want them, you MUST DO IT! Don't wait!

Dude, maybe you can try to fight for radical full democracy and equality, if you already have western-style democracy. Does this seem a little easier considering your country is not that big?


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29 Dec 2023, 12:50 am

belijojo wrote:
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Yugoslav1945 wrote:
belijojo wrote:
That requires the vast majority of people to understand human needs and regulate the system.It's difficult
Hence why education must be free. People must learn about their basic needs. Paying with money is useless as even the poorest wouldn't be able to afford for basic education in these times.
Idealism . . . what a waste.

How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?


It will. You just have to MAKE IT happen. You can't dream about it 24/7. You have your own dreams and goals. If you want them, you MUST DO IT! Don't wait!

Dude, maybe you can try to fight for radical full democracy and equality, if you already have western-style democracy. Does this seem a little easier considering your country is not that big?


You are kinda right. I do consider a more radical democracy seeing that my country's "democracy" is out of the planet. Instead of having three people serve the interests of three ethnic groups, why not put one person who is capable of actually doing something useful for the country. Josip Broz Tito led a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia and it worked fine for him until he died and there was no one else because no one was as charming and intelligent as Tito was.


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29 Dec 2023, 12:53 am

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You are kinda right. I do consider a more radical democracy seeing that my country's "democracy" is out of the planet. Instead of having three people serve the interests of three ethnic groups, why not put one person who is capable of actually doing something useful for the country. Josip Broz Tito led a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia and it worked fine for him until he died and there was no one else because no one was as charming and intelligent as Tito was.

I don't really understand what you're talking about, since I don't know your current country, so I can't search Wikipedia. But you seem to be defending strongman politics? Really? I hope you can make it clearer


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29 Dec 2023, 1:04 am

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You are kinda right. I do consider a more radical democracy seeing that my country's "democracy" is out of the planet. Instead of having three people serve the interests of three ethnic groups, why not put one person who is capable of actually doing something useful for the country. Josip Broz Tito led a multi-ethnic Yugoslavia and it worked fine for him until he died and there was no one else because no one was as charming and intelligent as Tito was.

I don't really understand what you're talking about, since I don't know your current country, so I can't search Wikipedia. But you seem to be defending strongman politics? Really? I hope you can make it clearer


The country of Bosnia is the one I am referring to. It is one of the poorest in Europe and has a corrupt system of three-man leadership mainly serving the interests of ethnic groups rather than the interests of everyone. This ethno-separatism has been going for well over three decades and at some point of time, there has to be an awakening. People are just simply getting tired and are already making their effort by leaving the country in order to weaken the labor force and not return to Bosnia until the politicians do something.

The SDA party member, Bakir Izetbegovic said (in July 2022) that he would consider replacing the laborers with robots which further unveils the true colors of politics in Bosnia meaning that the upper class statesmen do not care for the population decline at all and would simply "replace people with robots" which sounds like a genuine threat to the population in Bosnia.


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29 Dec 2023, 1:33 am

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The country of Bosnia is the one I am referring to. It is one of the poorest in Europe and has a corrupt system of three-man leadership mainly serving the interests of ethnic groups rather than the interests of everyone. This ethno-separatism has been going for well over three decades and at some point of time, there has to be an awakening. People are just simply getting tired and are already making their effort by leaving the country in order to weaken the labor force and not return to Bosnia until the politicians do something.

The SDA party member, Bakir Izetbegovic said (in July 2022) that he would consider replacing the laborers with robots which further unveils the true colors of politics in Bosnia meaning that the upper class statesmen do not care for the population decline at all and would simply "replace people with robots" which sounds like a genuine threat to the population in Bosnia.

From your description, capitalism in your country hasn't fully embraced democratic principles，causing widespread dissatisfaction and driving many citizens to seek refuge elsewhere. If robots were to entirely replace human labor, it could result in a dark communism where resources are distributed based on demand, but the citizenry only includes the affluent from the previous era.

Sorry, my pessimism shows up


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29 Dec 2023, 2:06 am

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The country of Bosnia is the one I am referring to. It is one of the poorest in Europe and has a corrupt system of three-man leadership mainly serving the interests of ethnic groups rather than the interests of everyone. This ethno-separatism has been going for well over three decades and at some point of time, there has to be an awakening. People are just simply getting tired and are already making their effort by leaving the country in order to weaken the labor force and not return to Bosnia until the politicians do something.

The SDA party member, Bakir Izetbegovic said (in July 2022) that he would consider replacing the laborers with robots which further unveils the true colors of politics in Bosnia meaning that the upper class statesmen do not care for the population decline at all and would simply "replace people with robots" which sounds like a genuine threat to the population in Bosnia.


From your description, capitalism in your country hasn't fully embraced democratic principles，causing widespread dissatisfaction and driving many citizens to seek refuge elsewhere. If robots were to entirely replace human labor, it could result in a dark communism where resources are distributed based on demand, but the citizenry only includes the affluent from the previous era.

Sorry, my pessimism shows up


Robot capitalism would be more accurate. The people are indeed dissatisfied with the concept of replacing human labor with robots because they think that the politicians see humans as undesirable and want to make them lazy while their work is done by robots. It doesn't mean communism if the economic system remains capitalist. Capitalism would still exist among the robots but it would be more darker because the A.I is not self-aware like the humans are so it would be easier for the capitalist class to simply rely on automated machinery to do work which will generate profit for the upper class while the only form of human labor would be the maintenance of the robots.


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29 Dec 2023, 2:13 am

And no, I am not pro-robot. There is a meaning behind the "working class". It is the majority class of people who WORK to build and strengthen the community but it is also the oppressed and illiterate class that doesn't get the basic education it requires due to capitalist greed. Then you have the middle class, an intellectual vanguard of socialism. These people are fully aware of capitalist greed and understand the suffering of the working class.

And finally, you have the upper class, the "top 1%". They are rich and powerful but are uneducated and their weakness is the reality that they would face. They are blue-pilled and do what they want while others must pay for it and suffer.


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29 Dec 2023, 2:15 am

I'd like to elaborate on these things with you via 'PM'


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29 Dec 2023, 2:47 am

Interesting...listening in on a conversation between two people...both from former Communist countries...comparing notes about transitioning from Communism to capitalism. And using using Marxist language to discuss it.



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29 Dec 2023, 3:15 am

Yugoslav1945 wrote:
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How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?
It will. You just have to MAKE IT happen. You can't dream about it 24/7. You have your own dreams and goals. If you want them, you MUST DO IT! Don't wait!
Let me get this staright:

You say that I have to make it happen -- you want me to get a girlfriend for you.

If this is what you mean, then forget it. No one is providing a girlfriend for you; this is something you have to do for yourself.

If this is NOT what you meant, then . . . just what the hell did you mean?


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29 Dec 2023, 3:18 am

Fnord wrote:
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How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?
It will. You just have to MAKE IT happen. You can't dream about it 24/7. You have your own dreams and goals. If you want them, you MUST DO IT! Don't wait!
Let me get this staright:

You say that I have to make it happen -- you want me to get a girlfriend for you.

If this is what you mean, then forget it. No one is providing a girlfriend for you; this is something you have to do for yourself.

If this is NOT what you meant, then . . . just what the hell did you mean?

Nothing to do with him，Communism's peculiar penchant for meddling in many matters.

ha! Looking at his reply, I was right. Pro-communists are often officious. :D


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29 Dec 2023, 5:14 am

Fnord wrote:
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How does any of this help you find a girlfriend in the here-and-now?
It will. You just have to MAKE IT happen. You can't dream about it 24/7. You have your own dreams and goals. If you want them, you MUST DO IT! Don't wait!
Let me get this staright:

You say that I have to make it happen -- you want me to get a girlfriend for you.

If this is what you mean, then forget it. No one is providing a girlfriend for you; this is something you have to do for yourself.

If this is NOT what you meant, then . . . just what the hell did you mean?


I was not talking about that. I was talking about in general. Your dream is not the same as mine. No. I'm not telling you to provide me with a girlfriend! My meaning to you is indeed that you do something for YOURSELF (just as you told me) in regards to achieving your goals. Not just romance and sex but also being CONFIDENT with yourself in order to achieve anything.

Some people are lonely as either they have been failed by their parents, or have never achieved a level of confidence and simply want to be integrated into society rather than being left out. To hopefully avoid creating monstrosities of lonely people and prevent them from becoming influenced by misogynist and misandrist groups, we need to give them the true meaning and give them optimism and not pessimism.


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