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24 Aug 2007, 7:41 pm

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Should Religion be Forcibly Eradicated?

Is it time for government, on behalf of the people and humanity in general, to commence the forced eradication of religious beliefs?

I believe that we must. The first -preliminary- step, is erasing all forms of rugged individualism. This must be done by outlawing private ownership of firearms, outlawing parental involvement in the education of children and weakening of traditional marriage and families. Also, personal self-reliance must be scoffed at and heavily discouraged.

In order to create an atheistic utopia, the traditional family unit must be altered beyond all recognition. Methods to promote this further is outlawing homeschooling and private education. Parents must have no involvement in the education of 'their' children! The sole responsibility of children's welfare must begin, and end, with the State!

As religion flounders, the next step may commence. Nationalizing of property belonging to religious institutions, laws prohibiting display of religious behavior and symbols can start.

The new generation of children will be liberated from religious dogma and with a strong antitheistic fervor, the next phase can finally begin.

The new generation will be willing to report religious activity on the part of their parents and will be enthusiastic to report their parents to the respective authorities for religious behavior.

Thus, laws finally prohibiting religious thought and practice can finally be put in place. ALL religious people shall be reeducated to achieve mental liberation. All religious symbols shall be smashed. All bibles, torahs, korans, etc. will be burnt to ashes and the ashes themselves burnt! All churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. shall be either razed or used for utilitarian purposes such as public toilets, schools, abortion clinics, et.al.

This can, and must, be done in order for humanity to advance to a bright and illustrious future! However, not only religion must be eradicated but -ALL- the old ways. The old thoughts, old cultures, old ways and old behaviors.

This entails progressive destruction. All symbols and edifices of the old must be physically eradicated. Burned to the ground and the ashes burnt again and old edifices ground to powder!

The only way to embrace the future and the potential of humanity is to destroy the symbols of the old order. Not only is it a mass expression of catharsis, but it prevents the remnants of the old order (i.e. the parasites of the New Order) from having any tools at their disposal to displace the New Order. It also eliminates incentive to do so as to displace the New Order will replace the New Order with nothing but nothingness! Lastly, future enlightened generations cannot conceive of the old order and desire it if there is no evidence of it ever existing!










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24 Aug 2007, 7:44 pm

No of course not.

You have the right to practice whatever religion pleases you as long you only harm consenting adults in the process. (Not implying religion does natural harm, merely saying that you may not hurt those who do not explictly consent to it during rituals of the religion.)


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24 Aug 2007, 7:52 pm

Gromit wrote:
Atheism is not the same as advocacy of a totalitarian political system.


That's how it always works out.
Other than history, I see no problem with your theory.



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24 Aug 2007, 8:37 pm

Sopho wrote:
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Mainstream religion should NOT be eradicated, it does many good things as well as bad.

lol such as?


Hope
Faith
Determination
Strength
Love
Humanitarian aid
Courage

So, it helps humans, who have been ultimately, by the strange tides of fate been granted sentience, cope with the world, and the wisdom that they have, the sentience superior to anything else that resides on this planet, at least. Whether God is real or not, the concept works. People turn to religion for hope when there is despair, and strength when they are weak. Real or Placebo, it helps immensely.

To overlook all the good things that religion has done for the world is just sheer foolishness. As for the bad, that's organised religion gone wrong. You have to take these matters into context and analyse them from different angles. What matters, I guess, is individual belief.

Look at me, defending religion. After all I've said against it. Well, I don't think in that way anymore.


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24 Aug 2007, 10:04 pm

Actually, you can observe all those things like hope, faith etc AND worship your god, WITHOUT the dogma that comes with religion. Plenty of people do it on their own, just cos the Christians prefer fellowship doesn't mean you can't pray by yourself to whatever deity you believe in.


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24 Aug 2007, 10:45 pm

David1981 wrote:

I believe that we must. The first -preliminary- step, is erasing all forms of rugged individualism.


You're right. Free thinkers are BAAAAAD and should be KILLED because THEY THINK! CHAIN THE PHILOSOPHERS! PUT THEM ALL IN GALLOWS AND THROW TOMATOES AT THEM! RETURN THE WORLD TO THE BRUTAL LAW OF THE DARK AGES UNDER THE GUISE OF PROGRESS!

Look, dumbass. I'm not religious and I don't much care for religious people, but individualism is the most important thing in the world to me. Also, utopias are impossible unless you brainwash everyone and turn the world to a mindless hell. You want to remove religion by removing everyone's ability to think and make choices? Get the f**k out of my house you moronic sub-animal halfwit.



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24 Aug 2007, 11:11 pm

Todd489 wrote:
David1981 wrote:

I believe that we must. The first -preliminary- step, is erasing all forms of rugged individualism.


You're right. Free thinkers are BAAAAAD and should be KILLED because THEY THINK! CHAIN THE PHILOSOPHERS! PUT THEM ALL IN GALLOWS AND THROW TOMATOES AT THEM! RETURN THE WORLD TO THE BRUTAL LAW OF THE DARK AGES UNDER THE GUISE OF PROGRESS!

Look, dumbass. I'm not religious and I don't much care for religious people, but individualism is the most important thing in the world to me. Also, utopias are impossible unless you brainwash everyone and turn the world to a mindless hell. You want to remove religion by removing everyone's ability to think and make choices? Get the f**k out of my house you moronic sub-animal halfwit.


Forming that so-called Utopian and thus creating the mindless hell would be getting us back where we started. Some consider religion to be just that - a mindless hell, and cults are the worst. Maybe if we allowed prople to carry on their beliefs individually, but discouraged large cult-like religions, we'd be better off because large organizations tend to cause more trouble than they are worth.


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25 Aug 2007, 1:42 am

David1981 wrote:
Should Religion be Forcibly Eradicated?

Is it time for government, on behalf of the people and humanity in general, to commence the forced eradication of religious beliefs?

I believe that we must. The first -preliminary- step, is erasing all forms of rugged individualism. This must be done by outlawing private ownership of firearms, outlawing parental involvement in the education of children and weakening of traditional marriage and families. Also, personal self-reliance must be scoffed at and heavily discouraged.

In order to create an atheistic utopia, the traditional family unit must be altered beyond all recognition. Methods to promote this further is outlawing homeschooling and private education. Parents must have no involvement in the education of 'their' children! The sole responsibility of children's welfare must begin, and end, with the State!

As religion flounders, the next step may commence. Nationalizing of property belonging to religious institutions, laws prohibiting display of religious behavior and symbols can start.

The new generation of children will be liberated from religious dogma and with a strong antitheistic fervor, the next phase can finally begin.

The new generation will be willing to report religious activity on the part of their parents and will be enthusiastic to report their parents to the respective authorities for religious behavior.

Thus, laws finally prohibiting religious thought and practice can finally be put in place. ALL religious people shall be reeducated to achieve mental liberation. All religious symbols shall be smashed. All bibles, torahs, korans, etc. will be burnt to ashes and the ashes themselves burnt! All churches, synagogues, mosques, etc. shall be either razed or used for utilitarian purposes such as public toilets, schools, abortion clinics, et.al.

This can, and must, be done in order for humanity to advance to a bright and illustrious future! However, not only religion must be eradicated but -ALL- the old ways. The old thoughts, old cultures, old ways and old behaviors.

This entails progressive destruction. All symbols and edifices of the old must be physically eradicated. Burned to the ground and the ashes burnt again and old edifices ground to powder!

The only way to embrace the future and the potential of humanity is to destroy the symbols of the old order. Not only is it a mass expression of catharsis, but it prevents the remnants of the old order (i.e. the parasites of the New Order) from having any tools at their disposal to displace the New Order. It also eliminates incentive to do so as to displace the New Order will replace the New Order with nothing but nothingness! Lastly, future enlightened generations cannot conceive of the old order and desire it if there is no evidence of it ever existing!


HAIL NERO!! !! !! !! !! !! !! Oh wait, he only tried to get rid of one religion, you're going after all of them?!

BOOO!! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !! !!



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25 Aug 2007, 4:31 am

David1981 wrote:
Should Religion be Forcibly Eradicated?




no.


it has to be a natural process of it being waned out of existence.


now...encouragement through education and demystifying the world is a completely different story. debunking myths isn't bad.



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25 Aug 2007, 9:56 am

The_Chosen_One wrote:
Todd489 wrote:
David1981 wrote:

I believe that we must. The first -preliminary- step, is erasing all forms of rugged individualism.


You're right. Free thinkers are BAAAAAD and should be KILLED because THEY THINK! CHAIN THE PHILOSOPHERS! PUT THEM ALL IN GALLOWS AND THROW TOMATOES AT THEM! RETURN THE WORLD TO THE BRUTAL LAW OF THE DARK AGES UNDER THE GUISE OF PROGRESS!

Look, dumbass. I'm not religious and I don't much care for religious people, but individualism is the most important thing in the world to me. Also, utopias are impossible unless you brainwash everyone and turn the world to a mindless hell. You want to remove religion by removing everyone's ability to think and make choices? Get the f**k out of my house you moronic sub-animal halfwit.


Forming that so-called Utopian and thus creating the mindless hell would be getting us back where we started. Some consider religion to be just that - a mindless hell, and cults are the worst. Maybe if we allowed prople to carry on their beliefs individually, but discouraged large cult-like religions, we'd be better off because large organizations tend to cause more trouble than they are worth.


Agreed Chosen one. I think we need to take down churches, mosques, synagogues, and any other organized houses of worship. If someone wishes to worship they can do so on their own. Also we shouldn't need religion to do good things like helping the poor. Secular humanitarian organizations should do these things. Organized religion as stands is a highly dangerous cult that is being controlled by the people on top, who are using it to lead us into war, hatred, and eventually slavery. It's time we wake up.



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25 Aug 2007, 10:32 am

I laughed.

This was obviously sarcasm, in the vein of Orwell and Swift.

What's scary is the number of people that would agree with him.


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25 Aug 2007, 2:11 pm

What's scary is the number of people who don't. No amount of evidence will wake people up, sci-fi-esque propaganda seems to have you brainwashed so far into your egoism that you seem to think that "bad things only happen to OTHER people", no amount of evidence will let you see the truth merely because being overly nationalistic, you seem to think your some cosmic exception, that the universe will stop spinning for you.
Like I've said a thousand times, I'm sure the average person in Germany in the 1930's were saying the same thing when someone warned them. What makes you more special than that person?



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25 Aug 2007, 2:13 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Gromit wrote:
Atheism is not the same as advocacy of a totalitarian political system.


That's how it always works out.
Other than history, I see no problem with your theory.


Yeah- as opposed to theocracy, which always turns out so much better.

The system we Americans have, where the establishment of religion is prohibited but free speech is protected, seems to walk a fine but successful line.



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25 Aug 2007, 2:50 pm

Lets list the things Bush has done that suggests trying to take over America:

1. Stealing the election (dictators usually gain power illegally)
2. Blocking many investigations into 9/11 (probably because Bush was involved, remember, 9/11 was much like Hitler's reichstag incident, it did several things for a police state agenda, it restored blind faith in the system through nationalism, it provided a scapegoat in arabs, it gave us an excuse to highten security which leads to number 3).
3. Patriot Act.
4. Integration of Church in state, which is used to systematically deny the rights of gays and people of other faiths.
5. Launching an illegal war.

Also consider:
1. Both republicans and democrats support big business, Bush gave businesses the rights of people, and now individuals are loosing their rights to corporations.
2. NAFTA made legal immigration very tough for Mexicans, which lead to them migrating here illegally. This is of coarse, hurting our economy, the right thing to do WOULD be to try and help Mexico become more prosperous of a nation, but seeing as the Mexican government encourages their citizens to jump our border so they can send more money back to Mexico, we're not likely to reach that sort of agreement with them. So this only leaves one other option to secure our financial stability as a nation, war.... But, we don't have the economic means to go to war because we're already involved in an illegal one in Iraq. If we pull our troops, there is likely to be a civil war in Iraq and WE would be hit with the bill. If we don't pull our troops, we'll continue funneling more money into this war that we already can't afford. Meanwhile, millions more illegal aliens are jumping our border, further destroying our economy (not because theyr brown but because theyr illegal, for the libs out there)..... So seeing as Mexico likely won't agree to a plan that would benefit both the US and Mexico, we'd likely have to go to war with them, but we don't have the economic means to do so. They are turning America into a 3rd world nation. Remember, Bush is already a millionaire in the oil industry, most of the higher ranking politicians are already filthy rich, they have no concern for our prosperity.



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25 Aug 2007, 2:52 pm

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Like I've said a thousand times, I'm sure the average person in Germany in the 1930's were saying the same thing when someone warned them. What makes you more special than that person?


You can do better then Reductio Ad Nazium.


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25 Aug 2007, 2:54 pm

Now theyr talking about building a highway from Mexico, through US, to Canada. This would be the first major step in globalizing North America, Europe has the European Union for this exact same purposes. Chances are, the democrats and Hillary Clinton will be the main ones working on building this superhighway. Also remember, democrats are against our right to bear arms. As I said, it's bigger than a party, bigger than a nation. This is the end times, prophecies self-fulfilled by the Vatican. Call me crazy but I see the writing on the wall.