Do you think Bush may have Aspergers?

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26 Sep 2007, 4:40 pm

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...and he waited too long to get involved in the European part of the War.

WHAT are you babbling about here?
He engineered US involvement AGAINST
the will of the people. Once the war started,
the majority of effort was spent in the European
theater, from the very start. Ah, and US entry was
also essentially engineered by FDR.

I'm no fan of the man, but more for bamboozling
the populous into a war, than anything else.

I'm definitely *not* babbling here. IMHO the time between the defeat of Germany in their Russian campaign (end 1942, beginning 1943) and D-day (June 1944) could have been shorter by a few months, if only Roosevelt hadn't been so hesitant about getting involved in the European war. And there seems to be good evidence that FDR knew from at least 1942 what the nazi swines did to the Jews. A few months may not seem much, but don't forget that in extermination camps like Auschwitz and Dachau thousands of people were killed per *day*.

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26 Sep 2007, 4:45 pm

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The reelection is very debatable, voting machine fraud was rampant, call me a conspiracy theorist if you want, you're an idiot if you do because that's a tactic that is used to discredit the truth. http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/ ... ion_stolen

Well, there may have been election frauds - I simply don't know - but it seems very improbable to me that that could explain away a 2.4 % difference. If I'm not mistaken Bush got 50.7 % and Kerry 48.3 %.

And as for FDR not being a great president - well maybe my example was wrong. (Though he's generally considered a hero in Europe, for obvious reasons. The Americans under his leadership saved our collective butts. So you should regard this as a compliment actually.)

But I just wanted to be friendly and not say Lincoln, or T. Roosevelt, because not having had a great president (a few acceptable ones yes, great no) in almost a century seemed to do no justice to the USA. I'm not being harsh on the USA. I believe it's a great and important country, but because I like it so much, it pains me to see that it often elects mediocre or downright incompetent leaders. I love America like I would a big sister who brings home wrong boyfriends all the time.

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26 Sep 2007, 5:06 pm

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Electronic voting machines with no paper trails can do a lot.

Do you know how the electoral college works? I'm not asking this to be insulting, but it is probably a bit different than the way most elections are held in Europe. If Kerry won Ohio then he would have won the election. Most of the voting fraud was concentrated in Ohio because this was known to be a swing state before the election started. 350000 votes stolen. That's about 3% of the population of Ohio which makes it a 6% swing in the state. George Bush "won" Ohio by about 110000 votes. He didn't have to do the fraud on a national scale, although there were reports of fraud in other swing states. Pretty scary, huh? Very unamerican, too.

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26 Sep 2007, 5:31 pm

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Do you know how the electoral college works? I'm not asking this to be insulting, but it is probably a bit different than the way most elections are held in Europe. If Kerry won Ohio then he would have won the election. Most of the voting fraud was concentrated in Ohio because this was known to be a swing state before the election started. 350000 votes stolen. That's about 3% of the population of Ohio which makes it a 6% swing in the state. George Bush "won" Ohio by about 110000 votes. He didn't have to do the fraud on a national scale, although there were reports of fraud in other swing states. Pretty scary, huh? Very unamerican, too.

No insult taken. I do know how the electoral college works, mainly because I followed the 2000 elections with great interest. I'm still not convinced that Bush or his helpers could pull off such a big fraud without anyone making a really big fuss about it.

BTW, isn't one of the ideas behind the entire electoral college to give less populous states a fairer chance at influencing election outcomes. Otherwise voters in such states would feel their votes would make almost no difference at all, taking away incentive to vote.

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26 Sep 2007, 7:11 pm

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BTW, isn't one of the ideas behind the entire electoral college to give less populous states a fairer chance at influencing election outcomes. Otherwise voters in such states would feel their votes would make almost no difference at all, taking away incentive to vote.

I wouldn't necessarily call it fairer. A system of 1 person, 1 vote would be ideal to me. If the presidency was based on nationwide popular vote, every vote would be equal and it would be hard to call that unfair. As it is, if you live in a very small state, the number of electoral votes/person is much higher. I don't remember the numbers but believe that a vote from someone in Montana is worth about 4 or 5 times as much as a person in NY, CA, or TX.

We have the system we have because the Constitution-guys didn't trust the population so much, and because they wanted to entice independent colonies and territories to join the union. Giving them 2 Senators and at least 1 Representative no matter how much of a ghost town they become is part of the problem. And since electoral votes are based on that, there is some bias or advantage in being a small state. It's affirmative action for the cowboy states. Every one is equal, but some are more equal.

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26 Sep 2007, 8:14 pm

dddhgg wrote:

Ah, THAT. More Churchill's doing than Roosevelt's.
And for reasons. He saw that the USSR was the real
danger to freedom, and was happier to make it as
hellish as possible on them.

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01 Oct 2007, 6:18 pm

dddhgg wrote:

Being a European myself, I think you just shouldn't whine so much about Bush being incompetent and all. Remember, about half of you elected him to the White House, and *more* than half of you re-elected him.

So the other half, and/or *slightly less than* half, didn't. Can that half complain, then?

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01 Oct 2007, 10:55 pm

Cameo wrote:

dddhgg wrote:

So the other half, and/or *slightly less than* half, didn't. Can that half complain, then?

*psst!* more than half the country voted against bush...he stole the election.

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02 Oct 2007, 1:25 am

Oh the nerve...

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17 Oct 2007, 11:26 pm

no because he is very good at speaking to the common man and looking like he is not smart to make the other guy feel not stupid. he cant be aspie because he has excellent social skills but misuses words like my fragile x brother does. They can communicate but they can't get good grades. We can't communicate for s**t.

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18 Oct 2007, 7:30 am

I'm 100% sure Bush doesn't have Asperger's. If anything, he suffers from concussions combined with severe brainwashing.

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18 Oct 2007, 3:45 pm

No, he was a frat boy. He is an extreme extroverted NT.

I would say the president with the greatest odds of being an Aspie was Calvin Coolidge. I also think Richard Nixon might have been as well.

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19 Oct 2007, 2:04 pm

I like FDR, for bringing us Social Security.

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19 Oct 2007, 9:49 pm

I have to ask you guys a question. Why do you guys have the tendency to assume autism in individuals who exhibit little to none of the traits associated with it? Or assume that just because they have one trait in common, that they must have it?

Many of the traits and symptoms associated with Autism are also prevalent in other neurological conditions, never mind the fact that they appear in most humans in general (just not as severe or obvious though).

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19 Oct 2007, 9:55 pm

Quite the opposite, I think. He's extroverted, unintelligent, and speaks in a manner to which Hans Asperger would certainly not call him a "little professor." Maybe a "big idiot."

David1981 wrote:

I would say the president with the greatest odds of being an Aspie was Calvin Coolidge. I also think Richard Nixon might have been as well.

Of all the presidents that may have exhibited traits on the autism spectrum, I would say it was one of my favorites, John Quincy Adams. Quiet, introverted, a bit socially awkward (especially with women), highly intelligent, and with a heavy interest in the sciences, especially botany.

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19 Oct 2007, 9:58 pm

Phagocyte wrote:

Quite the opposite, I think. He's extroverted, unintelligent, and speaks in a manner that Hans Asperger would certainly not call him a "little professor." Maybe a "big idiot."

Indeed.

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