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Is Jesus Christ your Lord and Savior?
Yes 34%  34%  [ 23 ]
No 66%  66%  [ 44 ]
Total votes : 67

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08 Nov 2007, 6:13 pm

question dodger



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08 Nov 2007, 6:14 pm

Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.

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and since where on the discussion of christianity maybe you can answer my questions about bible contradictions

Should we kill?
Ex. 20:13 Thou shalt not commit murder.
Ex. 32:27 Thus saith the Lord God of Israel, put every man his sword by his side...and slay every man his brother...companion..neighbor.(See also 1 Sam. 6:19; 15:2,3; Num. 15:36)

Ex 20:5 "...for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God..." (see also Ex 34:14, Deut 4:24, Josh 24:19, and Nah 1:2)
Gal 5:19-20 "Now the deeds of the flesh are evident, which are...jealousy..." (See also 2 Cor 12:20)

Should we tell lies?
Ex. 20:16 Thou shalt not bear false witness.(Prov. 12:22; Rev. 21: 8 )
1 Kings 22:23 The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee. (II Thess. 2:11; Josh. 2:4-6 with James 2:25)

Should we steal?
Ex. 20:15 Thou shalt not steal. (Lev. 19:13)
Ex. 3:22. And ye shall spoil the Egyptians. (Ex. 12:35-36; Luke 19:29-33)

Shall we keep the Sabbath?
Ex. 20:8 Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. (Ex. 31:15; Num. 15:32,36)
Is. 1:13 The new moons and the Sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot away with; it is iniquity. (John 5:16; Matt. 12:1-5)


Shall we make Graven images?
Ex. 20:4. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven...earth...water. (Lev. 26:1)
EX. 25:18 And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt thou make them.

Are we "saved" through works?
Eph. 2:8,9 For by grace are ye saved through faith...not of works. (Rom. 3:20, 28; Gal. 2:16)
James 2:24 Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.(Matt. 19:16-21)


Should good works be seen?
Matt. 5:16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works. (I Peter 2:12)
Matt. 6:1-4 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them...that thine alms may be in secret. (Matt. 23:5)


Should we own slaves?
Lev. 25:45-46 Moreover of the children of the strangers that do sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy...and they shall be your posession...they shall be your bondmen forever. (Gen. 9:25; Ex. 21:2,7; Joel 3:8; Luke 12:47; Col. 3:22)
Is. 58:6 Undo the heavy burdens...break every yoke. (Matt. 23:10)


Does God change his mind?
Mal. 3:6. For I am the Lord; I change not. Num. 23:19 God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent. (Ezek. 24:14; James 1:17)
Ex. 32:14. And the Lord repented of the evil which he had thought to do unto his people. (Gen. 6:6; Jonah 3:10; Sam. 2:30-31; II Kings 20:1-6; Num. 16:20-35)


Are we punished for our parent's sins?
Ex. 20:5 For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generations. (Ex. 34:7)
Ezek. 18:20 The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father.

Is God good or evil?
Psa. 145:9. The Lord is good to all. (Deut. 32:4; James 1:13)
Is. 45:7 I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things. (Lam 3:38; Jer. 18:11; Ezek. 20:25)

Is God Peaceable?
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you. (Luke 2:14; Acts 10:36)
Matt. 10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth, I came not to send peace, but a sword. (Matt. 10:35-37; Luke 22:36)

Was Jesus trustworthy?
John 8:14 Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true.
John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

Shall we call people names?
Matt. 5:22 Whosoever shall say Thou fool, shall be in danger of hellfire.
Matt. 23:17 (Jesus said) Ye fools and blind.

Has anyone seen God?
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at anytime. (Ex 33:20; Tim. 6:16; John 6:46; I John 4:12)
Gen. 32:30 For I have seen god face to face. (Ex. 33:11, 23; Is. 6:1; Job 42:5)

How many gods are there?
Deut. 6:4 The Lord or God is one Lord.
Gen. 1:26 And God said, let us make man in our image.(Gen. 3:22; I John 5:7)

Are we all sinners?
Rom. 3:23 For all have sinned. (Rom. 3:10; Psa.14;3)
Job 1:1 There was a man... whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright. (Gen. 7:1; Luke 1:5-6)

When was Jesus crucified?
Mark 15:22 and it was the third hour, and they crucified him.
John 19:14-15 And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King! But they cried out...crucify him!"



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08 Nov 2007, 6:14 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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what exactly is that supose to tell me

Why exactly were you listing them for?
to prove that the christian jesus isnt god. because it sais in NUMBERS 23:19

God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of man, that he should repent.



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08 Nov 2007, 6:15 pm

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question dodger


Only if Socrates was. :P



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08 Nov 2007, 6:16 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.
so what if im copying and pasting, you cant answer those contradictions and you know it. your religion is bs



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08 Nov 2007, 6:20 pm

richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.
so what if im copying and pasting, you cant answer those contradictions and you know it. your religion is bs

He blindly believes that the Bible is a direct word from God, being perfectly done, as he calls it "the truth" therefore never questioning it one bit.

Not to mention there are lots of interpretations of it.


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08 Nov 2007, 6:21 pm

richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.
so what if im copying and pasting, you cant answer those contradictions and you know it. your religion is bs


Yes I can, and I have read and understood it myself, but to waste time on you is worthless.



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08 Nov 2007, 6:22 pm

no please waste the time i'd love you to. answer away, i'm listening.



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08 Nov 2007, 6:23 pm

Good night.



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08 Nov 2007, 6:25 pm

you cant answer. and to think i was just about to give my life to christ *sigh* :jester:

oh well! :D



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08 Nov 2007, 6:37 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.
so what if im copying and pasting, you cant answer those contradictions and you know it. your religion is bs


Yes I can, and I have read and understood it myself, but to waste time on you is worthless.

Why? Because he disagrees?
if you expect everyone to agree with you, you are wrong, because a lot of people question these things, it is a logical approach to do so, not everyone choose to follow a certain faith without giving a lot of thoughts, doubts, reasoning, etc.


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08 Nov 2007, 7:31 pm

greenblue wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.
so what if im copying and pasting, you cant answer those contradictions and you know it. your religion is bs


Yes I can, and I have read and understood it myself, but to waste time on you is worthless.

Why? Because he disagrees?
if you expect everyone to agree with you, you are wrong, because a lot of people question these things, it is a logical approach to do so, not everyone choose to follow a certain faith without giving a lot of thoughts, doubts, reasoning, etc.


No, not just because he disagrees. But because he is set on disagreeing. To anyone who has read the Bible completely his examples are not contradictions but contrivances. Seeing what he was doing I decided to walk away; his examples show either that he has no knowledge of the Word or he has knowledge and is willfully misquoting so as to mislead. So as not to call him stupid I must say that the latter is true: he is willfully trying to manipulate the text so as to deceive the ignorant. He would not be one to listen and to contend with such a person is to waste my breath; he's not going to listen and doesn't care to because he has set himself against God and His Word.



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08 Nov 2007, 7:35 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
he is willfully trying to manipulate the text.
all those bible verses anyone can look up. wich ones did i willfully manipulate? give me a break



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08 Nov 2007, 7:53 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
No, not just because he disagrees. But because he is set on disagreeing. To anyone who has read the Bible completely his examples are not contradictions but contrivances. Seeing what he was doing I decided to walk away; his examples show either that he has no knowledge of the Word or he has knowledge and is willfully misquoting so as to mislead. So as not to call him stupid I must say that the latter is true: he is willfully trying to manipulate the text so as to deceive the ignorant.

It seems that he got that from a source, it is not like he made it himself.

About manipulating the text, I know some atheists make mistakes with their statements when arguing about errors, like contradictions in the Bible, etc. However there are notable things these people point out which make sense and put you to think about, like slavery, treatment of women, etc.

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He would not be one to listen and to contend with such a person is to waste my breath; he's not going to listen and doesn't care to because he has set himself against God and His Word.

Sorry, but that also applies to you, you won't consider anything else because you have your mind set to one thinking only, and you will discredit anything else.


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08 Nov 2007, 8:02 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
he has set himself against God and His Word.


Death to god and his word!



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08 Nov 2007, 8:32 pm

richardbenson wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Read them in their proper context and you don't have a problem, as it is you're quote mining.
so what if im copying and pasting, you cant answer those contradictions and you know it. your religion is bs


As you've long been well known here, you're still just an ignorant, anti-Christian troll. How much of what you copied and pasted did you actually read? Stop hating on my religion, Mr. Nonsense.