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19 Nov 2007, 7:20 pm

If you follow Catholic doctrine your probably a Catholic. You aske in the heading if you still count as a Christian. If you believe that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah (annionted one) than you are a Christian.



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22 Nov 2007, 7:24 pm

Anyone can be anointed. I anointed myself with shampoo this morning. What's the big deal about Jesus being anointed?



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23 Nov 2007, 11:24 pm

anionting with holy oil by a prophet/priest was the sign that God chose you as king. Thus God's anionted meant that God blessed and gave power to as the savior he sent. Traditionally this would be a political thing with spiritual undertones, which is why Jesus was mocked as king of the Jews, in Christian Dogma its mainly spiritual with some minor political undertones.



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01 Dec 2007, 10:54 pm

No. Your holding God's creation above Him, because if God's the universe, than He did not create it. And the Bible does not permit worshipping knowlege or thinking that God is a tree or a star. This is more like something off of pocahontus where she "paints with all the colors of the wind." sorry i had to add that lol. Just trying to help you realize that thats not christianity : )



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01 Dec 2007, 11:46 pm

Myles17 wrote:
No. Your holding God's creation above Him, because if God's the universe, than He did not create it. And the Bible does not permit worshipping knowlege or thinking that God is a tree or a star. This is more like something off of pocahontus where she "paints with all the colors of the wind." sorry i had to add that lol. Just trying to help you realize that thats not christianity : )


The King James and NIV bibles you mean. Nag Hammadi, slightly different twist.



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01 Dec 2007, 11:53 pm

well i mean the Bible that God wrote through people. Gods perfect and he sustains what he created and doesnt fail. He couldn't of let the Bible get distorted throughout history, if so it would limit His perfection and Omnipotence



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02 Dec 2007, 12:31 am

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So I view learning and thinking as a religious process. I guess you can say I worship knowledge itself. This extends to my moral system. The greatest offence is a lie, which defiles knowledge.

My views have began to differ so much, I wonder if I can still claim to be a member of the roman catholic faith.


Reading your note made me consider Thomas Aquinas. Yea, the church did condemn him too shortly after his death, but they came around. He reconciled science and theology as no one else. I continue to pick him up from time to time for his views on politics and ethics and Aristotle. This link may be of some help: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14663b.htm.

From the article: "The "Summa theologica"-- This work immortalized St. Thomas. The author himself modestly considered it simply a manual of Christian doctrine for the use of students. In reality it is a complete scientifically arranged exposition of theology and at the same time a summary of Christian philosophy. The "Summa" is Christian doctrine in scientific form; it is human reason rendering its highest service in defence and explanation of the truths of the Christian religion."



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02 Dec 2007, 12:34 am

Myles17 wrote:
well i mean the Bible that God wrote through people. Gods perfect and he sustains what he created and doesnt fail. He couldn't of let the Bible get distorted throughout history, if so it would limit His perfection and Omnipotence



But the bible has been VERY distorted and altered throughout history. Simple translating it out of the original languages caused it to be distorted.


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02 Dec 2007, 1:03 am

Really when was it distorted?



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02 Dec 2007, 2:59 am

Myles17 wrote:
Really when was it distorted?


http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15367a.htm

From the article: From an early day the text of the Vulgate began to suffer corruptions, mostly through the copyists who introduced familiar readings of the Old Latin or inserted the marginal glosses of the manuscripts which they were transcribing. In the eighth century Alcuin undertook and completed (A.D. 801) a revision with the aid of the best manuscripts then current. Then the universities and religious orders began to publish their "Correctoria biblica", or critical commentaries and the various readings found in the manuscripts and writings of the Fathers.

Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed the Bible and Why by Bart D. Ehrman

From Booklist: The popular perception of the Bible as a divinely perfect book receives scant support from Ehrman, who sees in Holy Writ ample evidence of human fallibility and ecclesiastical politics. Though himself schooled in evangelical literalism, Ehrman has come to regard his earlier faith in the inerrant inspiration of the Bible as misguided, given that the original texts have disappeared and that the extant texts available do not agree with one another. Most of the textual discrepancies, Ehrman acknowledges, matter little, but some do profoundly affect religious doctrine. To assess how ignorant or theologically manipulative scribes may have changed the biblical text, modern scholars have developed procedures for comparing diverging texts. And in language accessible to nonspecialists, Ehrman explains these procedures and their results. He further explains why textual criticism has frequently sparked intense controversy, especially among scripture-alone Protestants. In discounting not only the authenticity of existing manuscripts but also the inspiration of the original writers, Ehrman will deeply divide his readers. Although he addresses a popular audience, he undercuts the very religious attitudes that have made the Bible a popular book.



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02 Dec 2007, 3:50 pm

Myles17 God didn't write the Bible through people, in the Bible the only parts that in script associate with God giving part of the Bible is the Law which he issued to Moses. The rest man wrote as a religiously viewed history and record, as songs, poems, stories, dirges (laments and grief songs/lit). It is distorted all the time, mainly its translation (It was originally written in Hebrew and Greek: and there were several versions of the texts: two versons of the Old Testament/Hebrew Bible remain) In many places of the OT two or three versons of the same story exsist and are different (prime examples creation in Genesis 1 and 2, and Kings and Chronicles), we don't have the words or original translaters didn't know them, verses are taken out of context and twisted to conform to cultural norms.
(A prime example is the idea woman: in the Bible she was hardworking, strong, industrious outside and inside the home, dignified, wise, charitable, and controled finances and property. Don't believe me check Proverbs 10-31. The Bible is full of strong female leaders, Judges 4 and 5 (Deborah and Jael), The Book of Ruth, 1 Samuel 1-2:11 (Hannah), 1 Samuel 25 (Abigail), 2 Samuel 20 16-22 (the wise woman of Abel Beth-maach), Another Davidic story can't remember the chapter but has the wise woman of Tokoa. The Book of Judith (not all Bible's have this Catholic , Orthodox, and most study Bibles do), the Book of Easter, among others. The New Testament has a female minister mentioned and praised, her name was Penelope. There are some parts where women are placed beneth men but these are in letter, most written by Paul who was from Greece and affected by its and Roman culture. These letters were commontary on how he thought Christians should adhear to their faith and live in society and then they were added to scriptures when a group of male bishops met and argued over what gets in and what is left out. All of this done by man not God. In the Gospels themselves women are key figures: the Samaratin woman at the well, The faithful Samaritan woman, Mary and Martha, The poor widow among others.) Woman and her role/place isn't the only example its just a really easy one to point out.
Man compiled, edited, and translated the Bible, many times chooseing what to include, what to enphazis, and what feelings to put forth. How we view the Bible still conforms to human ideas not divine ones.



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02 Dec 2007, 4:28 pm

okay i need to do homework, housework, give the dog a bath etc. When im done ill read this article and see what i think.. although i saw it was Catholic something but ill read it anyways :D..be back later



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02 Dec 2007, 5:38 pm

Myles17 the Catholics are Christians too, in fact the Catholic and Orthodox churches are the oldest of the Christian churches. One of the best scholarly religious journals is the Catholic Biblical Quarterly (which Protestants have articles in as well), and Christan ethic models follow the one set up by the Catholic church, several just leave out middle axioms, though for some issues and views they keep that section in. We're not as split as we seen, though we have some key theological differences (ie how we view communion).



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03 Dec 2007, 5:56 pm

That sounds a lot like pantheism. The famed Jewish philosopher Baruch Spinoza was a pantheist.



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03 Dec 2007, 6:28 pm

aeroz wrote:
I wonder if I can still claim to be a member of the roman catholic faith.


You can call yourself Roman Catholic, Buddhist, Hindu, Vampire or Jedi if you really want. Belief is an internal thing - if you decide that you want your beliefs to be classified as Roman Catholic, then make it so.



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03 Dec 2007, 7:05 pm

Myles17 wrote:
No. Your holding God's creation above Him, because if God's the universe, than He did not create it. And the Bible does not permit worshipping knowlege or thinking that God is a tree or a star. This is more like something off of pocahontus where she "paints with all the colors of the wind." sorry i had to add that lol. Just trying to help you realize that thats not christianity : )


Apparently, you feel that the Bible is God. How is that not worshiping something created?