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AliceinOz
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23 Nov 2007, 6:54 am

If a discussion about religion is so offensive to you what are you doing reading these threads - it is after all the Politics, philosophy and RELIGION forum.



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23 Nov 2007, 7:04 am

The earth exists because we can see and feel it The sun exists because we see it and get heat from it. We exist because we are of solid form. Oxygen exists because without which we would not be able to breath. God only exists in imagination, because it can not be seen, touched, communicated with, and we only have unproven folklore written hundreds if not thousands of years after any event that was considered to be anything god-made. Has anyone come back from the dead to prove existence of god? You might say Jesus, but the thing with crucifixion and death 'on the cross' is that the person never actually died from the crucifixion themselves; they died of dehydration and birdlife attacking them for food. Jesus was more than likely pulled down in a state of unconsciousness on the 3rd day, taken to one of the houses nearby and resuscitated, where later he was seen by someone who thought that he had died and returned. Either that, or the whole thing is a myth and the resurrection fable is just something to give Christians hope that there may be something for them. He was a man, nothing more. So unless someone can physically die and return from the dead WITHOUT MEDICAL INTERVENTION, then I'll just take the whole thing with a grain of salt and suggest we all move on.


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23 Nov 2007, 7:24 am

Fanatical atheists are more destructive to political boards than christians are. The same goes for socialists.

I'm a former atheist myself, but when I see how some atheists debate I'm not exactly proud of it.



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23 Nov 2007, 10:20 am

I actually can't think of a more relevant question to our lives than knowing whether or not God exists. So many people feel that their lives are adding up to nothing, and feel an emptiness and hollowness that they just can't seem to fill. They lack purpose, and they find it uneasing. All we know is that we are born, we live a short while, then we die. What then? Where do we go? We're a strangely unique biological specimen. Are we doomed to just be wasted? Knowing where you came from, where you are going, and what your purpose is all provide a strong sense of identity for a person, an identity which you can feel lost without.



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23 Nov 2007, 2:52 pm

All sorts of interesting creatures are "wasted" every moment. Humanity is not all that special.



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23 Nov 2007, 3:09 pm

AliceinOz wrote:
If a discussion about religion is so offensive to you what are you doing reading these threads - it is after all the Politics, philosophy and RELIGION forum.

Yes, otherwise it would be just Politics and philosphy, and I find christian stuff interesting actually, even when I lost my faith :P


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23 Nov 2007, 3:38 pm

So, what in particular is being debated here?



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23 Nov 2007, 3:55 pm

Nothing.

One of the worst posters on the board decided to leave in a hissy-fit because he'd been debated into a corner and had no other way to escape the forum with his dignity. Unfortunately for him, his hissy-fit had the general coherence of an acid trip and now everyone's just laughing at him harder.

Then another one of his fellow Christian-bashers decided to stink up the topic with his pedantic angsthiest bullcrap.



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23 Nov 2007, 5:40 pm

Nice meeting ya skafather, its been nice debating all those points with you and all the more reason I think you need to meet people who maybe do have a degree of faith but aren't as obsessed about heaven, hell, gays, stem cells, heathens, anti-drug, comformity, and all that lock-step conformist stuff that seems to really make the word 'God' taste like arse on your lips.



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23 Nov 2007, 5:47 pm

The_Chosen_One wrote:
It's up to the Christians to prove if their god or whatever exists, and failing that, which I know for a fact they cannot do, they are just pissing in the wind. skafather is right, it's all just a load of claptrap that people invented to stooge everyone into believing that there maybe something worth looking forward to after death. I may believe in reincarnation, but at least I don't force my view on it onto everyone and tell them being pagan is the one true way. So why the hell do Christians do that with their faith? I'll tell you why; it's because they are all insecure and that if they didn't believe that something is going to happen post-mortem, then they would be an even sadder bunch than they are already. Being paranoid about one's faith is a worse disease than not having any faith at all, because trying to convince others to believe in something that can't be proven, and worrying about the hereafter all the time really screws with your mind. At least those with no faith or those that don't worry what will happen won't have any problem with death; for once you die that's it. If anyone can show me definite prove of an afterlife then I might change my view, but until then, I will just live my life how I see fit, and let nature take its course.


Negative proof though is only proof that you can't say for sure that its really one way or another. In one respect though I do think its a great reason for all the conformity-loving fundamentalists and bible literalists to just shut up and keep it to themselves. It really means that while people should be in a position to follow their own ways and choose, deism, atheism, or agnosticism, that no group should be able to impinge on each other's civil rights - which tends to be the ultimate thing I think that most atheists seem to get real rabid about.

All the fundamentalists seem to complain that there are no morals in the world anymore, my solution - secular ethics, if you could teach kids from a young age about social cause and effect, long term good outweighing short term, and how altruistic action ultimately betters their own lives and is the most optimal - it wouldn't take Judeo-Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, or other teachings of a specific religion to get people to do the right thing (and when people are that slow and basic to where they need something like Hell to coerce them to do the right thing - society should diss them for that sort of behavior rather than condoning it).



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24 Nov 2007, 1:48 am

Reodor_Felgen wrote:
Fanatical atheists are more destructive to political boards than christians are. The same goes for socialists.

I'm a former atheist myself, but when I see how some atheists debate I'm not exactly proud of it.


I agree and I'm atheist. I have this sense that all the fanatics, whether they be fanatical atheists, Ann Coulter-type conservatives, extreme libertarians, or extreme socialists, all gravitate toward the same personality type. It is characterized by an exaggerated persecution complex, dumbed down black and white thinking, a quick temper, and extreme intolerance to people with different opinions.



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30 Nov 2007, 4:23 pm

Christianity is a relationship with Jesus Christ, not a religion. I don't know why you're so mad. Dawn



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30 Nov 2007, 4:33 pm

skafather84 wrote:
all you people do is talk religion here. get the f**k over it you morons, there is no god. there is no devil it's just sh** made up by people who want your money for no f***ing working. there are other people who are sapped into doing the hard labor and the free sh** but it's mostly a f***ing hustle.

you christian morons ruined this board for me with your idiocy. i only wish there was some kind of lucidity post-death so you could know how wrong you are..but unfortunately you never will and you'll just joyously spread your misery and pestillance on the world like the viruses you guys are.

i hope you all get AIDS like you doomed the people in countries in africa because of your BS stance against birth control like condoms.

f**k you.

f**k you very much.

and to you people wating your time debating them...f**k you too. you could be spending that time actually raising awareness on real issues or debating real points like how there's almost no proof of man-made global warming other than the pseudo science of saying "ooo we produce x ammount of carbon emissions" and "it's this much warmer now than years ago!! (except back before the little ice age where there was such a warm period that greenland had successful viking farms)". but noo...it's all christian garbage and you put up with it and encourage it more. so you're just as bad as them. "don't feed the trolls". well that's all you've done with this christian virus here and now it's a f***ing plague of worthless threads full of moronic bickering over whether one particular imaginary friend is real or not.

so f**k you guys too.


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30 Nov 2007, 4:42 pm

Sand wrote:
All sorts of interesting creatures are "wasted" every moment. Humanity is not all that special.


You may speak for yourself.


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30 Nov 2007, 4:50 pm

Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
All sorts of interesting creatures are "wasted" every moment. Humanity is not all that special.


You may speak for yourself.

wait a second, aren't we ALL special in the eyes of God?


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30 Nov 2007, 4:51 pm

greenblue wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
Sand wrote:
All sorts of interesting creatures are "wasted" every moment. Humanity is not all that special.


You may speak for yourself.

wait a second, aren't we ALL special in the eyes of God?


Ask Sand. He doesn't seem to think so.


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