Proof that god doesn't guide evolution.

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People still make their own choices even if it is against God's revealed will (a.k.a. will of precept or law.) The fact that people disobey it proves nothing other than that we can make choices. Those choices, because God is just, will have consequences - either in life or in death or both (He will decide that, although, if nothing is done about it, He will hold the government responsible for their inaction.)

Ah, that's the question. Enter Philosophy and Religion.

The title of this thread is massively misleading.

The concept of a God waiting for you to make a wrong move and then whacking you when you die makes Him look like one helluva nasty son-of-a-bitch. I certainly wouldn't worship Him. But each to their own.

Good point. Humans actually have bigger balls that gorillas do, but smaller balls than Chimpanzees.

The amount of testosterone drives the agression.

A lot of animals don't specifically eat their young necessarily but there are situations where maternal instincts do completely shut off. Like with Lionesses, she'll have cubs with a lion and do her best to raise them - however if another male lion comes in and usurps her former mate she'll sit there, watch the new mate kill her old mate's children with her, and do absolutely nothing about it. While that's still not eating, put in the context of human beings that would be about as horrifying and sociopathic.

Depends on the context that someone actually views this world through. We don't know the exterior (ie. the realities of our consciousness before and after death) and that exterior unfortunately is what we would need to actually put this world and the meaning of our lives as well as our struggles in the right context.

For those who are still a bit confused by the point of the main post, the proof is concerning whether or not God served as a guiding force in evolution. The point being made is, "How can a good God create the world with a means requiring bloodshed and death?" He's right, considering that when God first made the world, He saw everything as being good and wholesome, without any death or suffering. To create a world through such means could never be called good.

--"One wonders though, if God has a mindset anything like a compassionate entity, they would do something about it. Instead, we have the whims of Man and Nature palmed off as 'God's will'."--

He will, though He is simply letting us see how serious sin is at the moment, by experiencing its consequences. The world we see is the result of many call the "Original sin," which is where the two first created people, Adam and Eve, disobeyed God and consequently ruined a perfect world, introducing death and suffering for the first time. It's much like when you discipline your child for an offense.

I hope this clears up a few things for peoples here.

well God let evil into the world for his own purpose. He also gave everyone a free will like the crazy lady who killed her child. And if we were like animals killing our children would not bother us, because animals do not have a spirit they just have a body and soul (mind and body). The reason why there is evil in the world is of course the fall of man with adam and eve.

If God were all-good, he would destroy evil

If God were all-powerful, he could destroyevil

Evil has not been destroyed

There is no all-good all powerful god.

eeeeehhh wrong answer

If God were all-good, he would destory evil

If God were all-powerful, he could destory evil

Evil has not YET been destroyed

Evil will one day be destroyed by an all-good, all-powerful God.

These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the lamb. Therefore, they are before the throne of God and serve Him... He who sits on the throne will spread His tent over them. Never again will they hunger, never again will they thirst. For the Lamb at the center of the throne will be their Shepherd(Christ); He will lead them to springs of living water. And God will wipe away every tear from their eyes. Revelation 7: 14 -17

All evil will be destroyed one day when Christ returns

The end will be much better than the beginning before adam and eve sinned, because a world redeemed is better than a world that never fell. God doesnt just merely forgive sins, he redeems through Christ.

Human nature is sinful, but no man can deny the truth that God is ruler and creator of everything that exists. If you know this and you keep lying to yourself just remember that you will be accountable at judgement day, and remember that truth is not just preferance like (i like vanilla ice cream or i like taoism so this is true) truth is absolute and cannot be shaken or twisted, and just because you do not believe its true doesnt mean it isnt. I may have hidden treasure and its true that it exists, and I die but society doesnt know its there. Its still there and its still true.

To paraphrase a certain well-known old book, the minds of men are all psyhotic and desperately wicked, and ultimately incomprehensible.
This is one of the rare few statements contained therein with which I find myself in agreement.

The Babylonians believed that mankind was descended from devils and carried their corrupt blood within their veins.

You're not worth even responding to, deluded person.



The paraphrase has two out of three statements correct. I disagree with 'desperately wicked'.

To be honest, I was wondering if this kind of thread would be offensive to all christians, and I think I would understand and agree with it, and I'm surprised to see there is no indication of it, that is what I first thought when I saw it, because it seemed to me like a tool to use a recent horrible crime like that to go against other people's beliefs about the existence of God, when the crime has nothing to do with it, I mean, was the woman or the boyfriend christians, or was any church involved? I don't see any relation to it, actually.

In my opinion I see the relation to it as absurd as the abortion-circumsicion comparison, or maybe worse.

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Well, it has become clear therefore that only Christians are decent people and two thirds of humanity are - what?

You're not worth even responding to, deluded person.

I am not lieing or trying to decieve anyone. I'm trying to present the TRUTH and no i dont mean the Truth like the Bible(although i believe it's true) Im saying truth as in what is right and not false. And if you disagree with me please say so and why and don't insult me. Insulting me doesn't prove I'm incorrect, it just insults me. In order to prove I'm incorrect you have to pick out certain things that I say and tell people why you think I'm incorrect, and back it up with something.

So by this question you are saying you believe God exists but doesn't control or involve himself with the world?