03 Dec 2007, 1:06 pm
03 Dec 2007, 1:47 pm
03 Dec 2007, 1:48 pm
monty wrote:
The surge was intended to give the Iraqi politicians enough breathing room to come to a political settlement - they haven't moved in that direction at all.
Violence has decreased in Iraq recently, partly because of the surge, largely because the ethnic cleansing has been so successful that entire neighborhoods have been purged of the whatever group is the minority. Christian Iraqis, in particular, have fled the country. The US invasion triggered an assault on Christians that is unprecedented in the history of Iraq.
Violence has decreased in Iraq recently, partly because of the surge, largely because the ethnic cleansing has been so successful that entire neighborhoods have been purged of the whatever group is the minority. Christian Iraqis, in particular, have fled the country. The US invasion triggered an assault on Christians that is unprecedented in the history of Iraq.
^^^ Spin alert!
03 Dec 2007, 2:13 pm
Books feel to me like supernatural beings sometimes, and some of them like very close friends. ...wondering what exactly the category " supernatural being" includes, and excludes.
03 Dec 2007, 2:40 pm
03 Dec 2007, 2:46 pm
ouinon wrote:
Books feel to me like supernatural beings sometimes, and some of them like very close friends. ...wondering what exactly the category " supernatural being" includes, and excludes.
I knew that question would come up, so the answer is that if you're not sure whether you are friends with a supernatural being, you can't accurately vote.
03 Dec 2007, 3:55 pm
Ragtime wrote:
jfrmeister wrote:
BTW, I disagree that god needs looking out for.... Jehova is currently getting his ass handed to him by Allah, in Iraq. 
The surge in Iraq has recently proved to be successful. To what, then, are you referring?
I'm refering to the 1,000,000 Christians who got pushed out of, or massacred, in Iraq. Not to mention all the churched destroyed by Muslims. If Jehova is the true god, and Allah is an imposter, then why are the forces of Allah wining?
It's a bit ironic that Iraqi Christains were safer under Sadam, then after he was overthrown.
03 Dec 2007, 4:01 pm
03 Dec 2007, 4:50 pm
jfrmeister wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
jfrmeister wrote:
BTW, I disagree that god needs looking out for.... Jehova is currently getting his ass handed to him by Allah, in Iraq.
The surge in Iraq has recently proved to be successful. To what, then, are you referring?
I'm refering to the 1,000,000 Christians who got pushed out of, or massacred, in Iraq. Not to mention all the churched destroyed by Muslims. If Jehova is the true god, and Allah is an imposter, then why are the forces of Allah wining?
Because God takes the long view. Allah (Satan) is insane, and he's much weaker than Yahweh. Even if you went by angelic legions alone, God's forces are twice the number of Satan's (Rev 12:4). That doesn't even take into account the fact that Yahweh is omnipotent. So, victory is assured, and all that the Christians suffer on this Earth for their Christianity will be rewarded in Heaven:
"And Jesus answered and said, 'Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or brethren, or sisters, or father, or mother, or wife, or children, or lands, for my sake, and the gospel's, but he shall receive an hundredfold now in this time, houses, and brethren, and sisters, and mothers, and children, and lands, with persecutions; and in the world to come, eternal life'" (Mark 10:29-30).
jfrmeister wrote:
It's a bit ironic that Iraqi Christains were safer under Sadam, then after he was overthrown.
Riiiight.
Saddam was such a nice guy, after all. He didn't torture or gas thousands of his own people or anything... Must be nice, living in La La Land.
jfrmeister wrote:
It's a bit ironic...
Ya, that WOULD be ironic. If it happened.
03 Dec 2007, 4:54 pm
dude...I'm going to hell (by your beleifs), but I don't care-because here and now, is more important than a maybe to me
wasting time with religion is...well pointless
I am a wicca though not a serious one, I beleive in it yes but not all gung ho with it
I always thought the muslum god and christian god were the same thing
I think the pagan gods are the most, well interesting and beleivable
03 Dec 2007, 4:54 pm
jfrmeister wrote:
If god had complete controll over Lucifer, then why did he attempt a Coup de'teat against Jehova? He must've done it because he had a reasonable expectation that his rebellion would succeed.
It all depends on if you count insanity capable of reasonable expectation.
Some people on this site do, I've read. Insanity is rarely complete insanity. There are usually parts of the mind that still reason correctly. So a being can be relatively lucid and still be insane. As in, insane in certain critical judgment areas, but not altogether without sanity.
The angel Lucifer's pride and lust for power was so great, that he either 1) miscalculated his chances, or 2) was so blinded by his ambition that he didn't even consider failure.
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03 Dec 2007, 4:55 pm
I think satan was pretty stupid with his "attack"
thats why he lost 
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03 Dec 2007, 5:21 pm
03 Dec 2007, 6:09 pm
Averick wrote:
you compared the Islamic God Allah to that of the Judeo-Christian fall guy?
Ragtime wrote:
Allah (Satan) is insane.
Apparently, yes.
Quote:
Do you have the right to make that assumption?
I also ask that same question,
He already knows that there are lots of muslims, that live in other parts of the world who are peaceful and don't believe in terrorism and stuff like that, so he may be referring to the "true muslims", ignoring the others.
So practically he is doing the same thing atheist attackers are doing with Christianity, with Islam. There is no much difference between Allah and the god from the OT, is it? when you take a literal interpretation of both, the Bible and the Koran, when taking today's certain muslims regimes from the middle east and Judaism and judeo-christianism 2,000 years ago and before, into consideration.
Sad to have this point of view, it seems to me a case of judging others incorrectly and then, at the same time, claiming to have a close friendship with God.
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03 Dec 2007, 6:26 pm
03 Dec 2007, 10:53 pm
Ragtime wrote:
jfrmeister wrote:
It's a bit ironic that Iraqi Christains were safer under Sadam, then after he was overthrown.
Riiiight.
Saddam was such a nice guy, after all. He didn't torture or gas thousands of his own people or anything... Must be nice, living in La La Land.
jfrmeister wrote:
It's a bit ironic...
Ya, that WOULD be ironic. If it happened.
Oooohh.... IIIIII'M the one living in La La land??
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OF394WACFv0[/youtube]
You see Ragtime.. you can't counter cold, hard, facts with your stupid, bronze age, book of fairy tales.
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