Are you worried about Political Correctness?

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Are you worried?
Yes! It's eroding freedom of speech! 58%  58%  [ 38 ]
No! 28%  28%  [ 18 ]
Not sure 5%  5%  [ 3 ]
Other 9%  9%  [ 6 ]
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07 Dec 2007, 10:50 pm

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I simply don't care either way. I shall talk how I like.

But are you worried about it being imposed on you?



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07 Dec 2007, 10:51 pm

I don't like pc terms. What happens is, someone comes up with a new "correct" term to make a word to describe someone seem less offensive but then oneday someone that isn't politically correct uses that term in a harsh manner and turns it into something offensive so then a new term has to be invented so that your outdated term gets an imaginary smack on the hand with a ruler.

A bunch of politically correct nuns run amock. On the flipside, I don't like people that do be-little and bash others for their skin color, gender, neurological difference. That to me is crossing the line and I percieve it as bullying. I don't like bullies and supremacists which do come in all shapes and sizes, all colors, all genders.

If you are a bully, I don't like you period.


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07 Dec 2007, 11:41 pm

You can respect someone's culture without kissing their ass and thinking they've always got to be right just because they are a minority. Whites f**k up and make mistakes, so do blacks, so do hispanics, so do asians. To get offended at criticism of someone who just happens to be a minority and then pulling the race card, it's stupid. There are plenty of other reasons to disagree with people other than their skin color, or their gender, etc.
I mean people turning illegal immigration into a race issue are the epitome of PC freaks for instance, I'm by no means saying we shouldn't help them out, but it's just plain stupid to do it in a way that hurts ourselves. We've got some laws for a reason, open border proponents from what I've seen are living in some candy land pipe dream where supposedly we're able to do away with laws, with regulations, and organization. There are reasons for those laws and it has nothing to do with them being brown. Do some ignorant red necks make this into a race issue? Sure, and those people give the truth a bad name. But to regulate an economy the government has got to have enough resources to support the entire population (which we don't), they've got to know how many people are here (which we don't), they've got to know WHO is here (which we don't).



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08 Dec 2007, 12:13 am

I agree that immigration should have limits on it. I don't think that everyone who is opposed to immigration is a racist.

On the other hand, it is more than a few people in the anti-immigration movement that are racist, and the movement itself does little to limit the racism. One of the cut and paste things going around the internet repeatedly refers to Puerto Ricans as illegal immigrants, and calls Puerto Rico a foreign country. Why would so many mistake people that were born as US Citizens for illegals? Color of their skin or the language they speak has nothing to do with it? I don't believe that. And the articles in that cut and paste being circulated were from 'respectable' conservative news sources.

I don't think some massive wall is going to stop the flow. As long as there are jobs here, people will find a way in. They could fly in as tourists with plans to go to Disney, and then just not return. What kind of a wall is going to keep out all the illegal European and Asian immigrants?

Illegal immigration is caused by the US Citizens who create the jobs that attract people. Very few people would come if they knew that they were unable to get a job and they would be living under a bridge. Maybe if those who are hiring illegals were jailed and had their property siezed under the RICO laws, the illegal jobs would dissappear and the illegals would go home.

The immigration problem is like the drug problem - stop blaming Pedro and focus on Peter. As long as there is this huge economic demand, people will try to fill it. They will find a way to smuggle drugs or people in to make a profit. It's like the shopaholic that blames the malls for their innability to live on a sane budget. The illegals come at our beck and call. The stores multiply in response to our choice to spend.

Of course, the whole history of US drug policy is tinged with racism. Marijuana was outlawed because of hysteria over the brown menace. Penalties for crack cocaine (used mostly by blacks) are 100 times harsher than those for an equivalent amount of powder cocaine (used mostly by whites). Same intoxicant, but white fear changes the policy so that the minorities get locked up and locked out.

If you are sincere that it isn't about race, then maybe we should start locking up the captains of industry that are conspiring with the illegals? Because in the employer-employee relationship, the employer calls the shots.



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08 Dec 2007, 1:05 am

I agree, we should lock up people hiring illegals. And to be honest, hiring illegals just ads to the imbalance of power between the people and corporations. The employers profit from it, at the expense of the citizens. I wouldn't even say it's good for illegals to come here illegally, in the long run. Because where will they go once this crisis has plunged us into poverty?



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08 Dec 2007, 1:10 am

I also think we need tighter border control, a wall would help a little bit although more would be necessary. I'd be harder on Canadians and Europeans than I would mexicans in general, because those from white nations usually do not come from the poverty-stricken back grounds of the hispanics.
I also think that we need to help Mexico in other ways, to try to help them become a prosperous and influential nation, because doing so would also help further our border security. Plus it would set a good example to other nations out there.



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08 Dec 2007, 1:10 am

I also think we need tighter border control, a wall would help a little bit although more would be necessary. I'd be harder on Canadians and Europeans than I would mexicans in general, because those from white nations usually do not come from the poverty-stricken back grounds of the hispanics.
I also think that we need to help Mexico in other ways, to try to help them become a prosperous and influential nation, because doing so would also help further our border security. Plus it would set a good example to other nations out there.



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08 Dec 2007, 1:20 am

I doubt that the illegal problem will plunge us into poverty. They are mostly unskilled manual laborers that free up citizens up to do higher paying jobs. The wages of high school drop outs or high school grads are depressed by an excess of cheap unskilled labor. The earnings of college graduates are little affected, the salaries of skilled professionals like doctors and engineers are not influenced. A bigger threat to wages is international competition and outsourcing, and the structure of corporations here. I forget the exact statistic, but over the last ~20 years, productivity of the American worker has more than doubled. Adjusted for inflation, our earning power is about the same. Corporate profits up, executive salaries up.

If we are plunged into poverty, it will be from other factors, like excess foolish debt (personal and collective), wild-ass speculation in various financial instruments, rising resource prices, the concentration of wealth, lack of investment in key areas, and the innability to compete globally.



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08 Dec 2007, 1:34 am

monty wrote:
I doubt that the illegal problem will plunge us into poverty. They are mostly unskilled manual laborers that free up citizens up to do higher paying jobs. The wages of high school drop outs or high school grads are depressed by an excess of cheap unskilled labor. The earnings of college graduates are little affected, the salaries of skilled professionals like doctors and engineers are not influenced. A bigger threat to wages is international competition and outsourcing, and the structure of corporations here. I forget the exact statistic, but over the last ~20 years, productivity of the American worker has more than doubled. Adjusted for inflation, our earning power is about the same. Corporate profits up, executive salaries up.

If we are plunged into poverty, it will be from other factors, like excess foolish debt (personal and collective), wild-ass speculation in various financial instruments, rising resource prices, the concentration of wealth, lack of investment in key areas, and the innability to compete globally.


All those things factor into it, but illegal immigration is the key to shutting out our borders, that coupled with outsourcing will make corporations more powerful, while taking power away from the people, and driving us into poverty. Fascism is on the rise here.



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08 Dec 2007, 1:52 am

Main things driving us into poverty:
1. war spendings
2. illegal immigration
3. outsourcing
4. gas prices (and cost of about everything else too going up, only thing NOT going up are our pay checks)
5. Lets not forget tax cuts for the rich, to make rich richer and poor poorer.



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08 Dec 2007, 3:47 am

Everyone who doesn't like PC in this Thread should sign a petition saying that we want Autisticus Spasticus played on a radio somewhere, at least once.


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08 Dec 2007, 3:58 pm

Cyanide wrote:
Phagocyte wrote:
I simply don't care either way. I shall talk how I like.

But are you worried about it being imposed on you?


No, I have seen no evidence that it's that extreme yet. Beyond disapproval, what can be done?

It's incredibly stupid, yes (like calling a fat person a "person of size" :lol:), but I'm not worried.



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08 Dec 2007, 4:01 pm

I don't like offending anyone with improper generalizations, but generalizations have a time and a place.



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08 Dec 2007, 4:09 pm

manzanita wrote:
I don't like offending anyone with improper generalizations, but generalizations have a time and a place.


Yeah, it almost seems like to keep day to day communication practical you almost need to talk in labels and if someone gets offended or gets a misconception of what you are or aren't aware of because of how they interpret your use of that label - you really have to wait until then to sit there and outline what you know, don't know, believe, don't believe. Other than that, if you try and start a conversation by prefacing it with all that explanation - see how long it takes for the person your talking to to turn around and start talking to someone else, my guess is about 5 or 10 seconds.



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08 Dec 2007, 4:15 pm

techstepgenr8tion wrote:
see how long it takes for the person your talking to to turn around and start talking to someone else, my guess is about 5 or 10 seconds.

you mean people don't do that to you anyways?



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08 Dec 2007, 4:17 pm

I voted no. I am not worried right now because I am used to being the oddball that has differences in opinions. I am not worried because all that person can do is wag their finger and complain. I in return can explain why I don't agree.

I would be worried if it became a crime.


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