Marijuana Activist Facing Life in American Prison Over Seeds

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01 Sep 2005, 5:25 am

I noticed that no one touched my post.

Seems like you want to argue about whether or not harmful actions are inherently dangerous or not.
Of course harmful actions are inherently dangerous and wrong.
Do we police all perpetrators of harmful actions, of course not.

What we seem to police, is whatever the social political elite tell us to police
at the expense of the poor and disenfranchised.

Society wants to have a law against selling drugs, and using drugs, FINE.
But, it should, as all laws should, be inforced equally. That my friends is called justice.
When laws are enforced disequally, especially as disequally as our drug laws,
that my friends is called tyranny.
Tyranny needs to be confronted whereever it creeps up its ugly head.



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01 Sep 2005, 8:16 am

Sean wrote:
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Smacks of facism at its worst. How totally un-American to imprison someone for a victimless crime.

It ceases to be a victimless crime when stoners start doing stupid crap that affects others! :evil:


What about all the crime that get's done by drunk people. Violent crime especially is more prevalent with those that are drunk than anything else.

When people use alcohol and get violent, they get arrested too.


So what about the people who smoke marijuana that don't get violent?


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01 Sep 2005, 10:30 am

I've never heard of anyone smoking marijuana and getting violent.....getting hungry, maybe, but not violent.


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03 Sep 2005, 11:51 am

From what I understand, Marujuana actually makes somebody pretty calm. They are much calmer after smoking marujuana than drinking beer, but technically, all of them should be illegalized. I do think Beer should be somewhat legal though, such as a very low point beer that would be near impossible to get drunk off of, considering the medical benifits it provedes. Tobacco though, should be illegal, as it essentially holds no benefits, and on top of that, people who use it knowingly kill themselves, and by all religious and social definitions knowingly killing yourself is suicide.



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04 Sep 2005, 4:40 am

Yeah - I say when it comes to drugs, leave the little guys alone and nail the criminal masterminds:

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04 Sep 2005, 4:54 am

But as for my views on cannabis - it is pathetic and more than just a little bit over-rated.

I'm sick of people trying to give cannabis a good name.

Ok, so it's not physically addictive - neither is catching a good movie nor listening to good song, or meditating for that matter.

Ok, so it doesn't make you aggressive - rather it makes you depressive. And in worse cases, cases like mine, leads to psychosis.

You get all of these hippies coming up with arguments like "but it grows out of the groooooooooooound maaaaaaan". I just want to punch the life out of those sort of people - hemlock grows out of the ground!! ! So does nightshade!! !! I just hope that hippy realises this and tries out some o' that dope instead.

As long as you prance around in pro-dope rallies, nobody with power will listen to a word you say, even if your other ideas are actually very good.


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04 Sep 2005, 2:29 pm

What about Alcohol, it is much worse.



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06 Sep 2005, 7:15 am

I have as much respect for alcohol as I do for cannabis. Don't worry, I go into my psychotic rages about that too :wink:

So if people were to make alcohol illegal I'd actually be quite happy.

I feel the same way for tobacco.


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06 Sep 2005, 7:19 am

I think in essence what I'm trying to say is, why waste energy supporting cannabis?

What good can come out of it?

The only reason it's so popular is it's drop-dead easy to "manufacture" and that it's "pimped out" so regularily by mainstream media that it's become an integral part of certain lifestyles.

I think the more we ignore cannabis, the more hard-case conservatives will. Think about it..


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06 Sep 2005, 1:00 pm

What makes you guys think cannabis or alcohol can be banned? We tried it during prohibition and look what happened. The government can't ban anything!



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02 Mar 2006, 1:19 pm

Psychlone wrote:
http://stopthedrugwar.org/chronicle/398/marcemery.shtml

Only in America, the land of the free, would someone be jailed for life for distributing seeds. Meanwhile child molesters and rapists are being released because of overcrowded prisons... :roll:


Actually, this guy Marc Emery is a Canadian who sold seeds to US customers through mail order. Prohibition against marijuana was struck down by the Canadian courts in 2003. The court ruled that prohibition was unconstitutional, but the laws are still on the books. If Canada were to implement the ruling and prevent the police from arresting people for pot the US would then impose trade sanctions. The US does not want Canada or any other country to legalize cannabis because the plant is a source of biomass fuel and has other amazing potential. Emery sold to Americans to profit off the prohibition that exists in the US. He is a very controversial figure. He owns a magazine that he uses to promote himself as a folk hero in the cannabis movement. Many people believe he has harmed the Canadian cannabis movement far more than he has helped. Pot politics are far from simple. There are many groups and organizations who hold a huge interest in ensuring that prohibition continues or is reinstated through parliamentary order so that they can profit from prohibition. These people are referred to as drug war profiteers.



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02 Mar 2006, 2:04 pm

In the 60s or 70s Tim Leary was sentenced to 2 consecutive life sentances for possession of 2 joints.
Luckily for him, his contacts in the Black Panthers helped him break out of jail by climbing a wire overthe perimeter fence.



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02 Mar 2006, 2:08 pm

Captain_Brain wrote:
Ok, so it doesn't make you aggressive - rather it makes you depressive. And in worse cases, cases like mine, leads to psychosis.


Wrong - some strains are anti-depressive or mood-stabilizing. Some even have anti-psychotic effects (unfortunately not the same strains you were using)

Studies in the UK are underway now to evaluate its use as a psychiatric treatment, specifically bipolar disorder.



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03 Mar 2006, 3:10 am

anandamide wrote:
Actually, this guy Marc Emery is a Canadian who sold seeds to US customers through mail order.

Emery did not violate U.S. law when he put the package in the mail, as it was done legally according to the laws in effect at the time and place where he bought the postage. The U.S. government should be charging the recipients, as they are the ones who are breaking U.S. import and possession laws. If someone in the U.S. was to send a bottle of Jack Daniels to a relative in Saudi Arabia and the Saudi government demanded extradition to face a death sentence, do you think Uncle Sam would just hand them over? Not likely. If anything, Bush and friends would have strong words against the punishment of the intended recipient, too.

Sadly this isn't the first time the U.S. has enforced domestic laws outside its borders. A few years ago, a Canadian weapons wholesaler sold guns to a South American country the U.S. wasn't friends with. The company had no U.S. connections, and the shipment was never imported or exported through the U.S., but what the guy didn't know was that the buyer was an undercover A.T.F. agent who had gone to South America to arrange the buy as a trap to catch arms dealers. The U.S. asked Canada to extradite the company's president to the U.S. to face charges of "dealing illegal arms to an American citizen" but Canada refused, citing both the entrapment and the fact that the U.S. law was being applied extraterritorially. One day the man was flying from Canada to Mexico, and the F.A.A. instructed the aircraft to land at an airport in the U.S. After the aircraft landed, the FBI entered the plane and arrested the guy before letting the plane continue its flight. When news agencies interviewed the head of A.T.F. the guy basically said "we don't care about your laws, and as far as we're concerned, the fact that he thought he was selling to someone in South America when it was actually an undercover American is irrelevant." The guy eventually got out on bail and fled the country, and now is basically unable to travel anywhere in the world because the U.S. agents around the world would kidnap him on sight.

And Americans wonder why most of the world hates them so much....



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05 Mar 2006, 2:32 pm

Jetson wrote: "Emery did not violate U.S. law when he put the package in the mail, as it was done legally according to the laws in effect at the time and place where he bought the postage."

It's complicated. Whether or not Marc Emery broke Canadian law is debatable. I would not want to see him extradited for selling marijuana seeds. That would be tragic. However, I do not think the man is any sort of model of humanity or hero. He is a profiteer, and he would probably agree if you asked him about this. The issue of marijuana prohibition in Canada is complicated. Although the law against prohibition was struck down in the Parker case by Canadian supreme court in 2003, the laws are still on the books because of the intervention of lawyer Alan Young who represented some of the organizations that distribute and profit medical marijuana. Lawyer Alan Young asked the courts to set aside the ruling that theoretically struck down prohibition in order to give the medical marijuana profiteers time to get the MMAR (medical marijuana act regulations) to comply with the Canadian constitution. The court agreed to suspend its ruling for one year so that the MMAR could be amended. In effect what has happened is that the laws against marijuana have been left on the books so that police still enforce those laws although the court has struck down prohibition.

Marc Emery and company have never made any effort to protest against the fact that the constitution is being violated when police enforce laws that have been struck down. Marc Emery has profited from prohibition and he wanted that profit to continue. He doesn't really distinguish between med or rec marijuana usage. He is a libertarian, his principles are all about making a profit, not amending parliamentary law.



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06 Mar 2006, 12:34 am

I had no idea seeds were illegal in Canada. Thats quite shocking - does that mean you cant buy hemp-oil products in health-food shops? what about paper, fabric and cosmetics?