smiliarities between Christian and muslim extremists

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One sided, yes. Hypocritical, no.

The Bible tells Christians to love their neighbor, while the Koran tells Muslims to kill them.

[Koran 9.123] O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard.
[Koran 8.12] When your Lord revealed to the angels: I am with you, therefore make firm those who believe. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them.

Te Koran also calls ALL Muslims to war against the infidels. (to kill Christians, Jews, Atheists, Buddhists, Oprahites, Hindus, etc)

[Koran 8.65] O Prophet! urge the believers to war; if there are twenty patient ones of you they shall overcome two hundred, and if there are a hundred of you they shall overcome a thousand of those who disbelieve, because they are a people who do not understand.
[Koran 2.216] Fighting is ordained on you, and h is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know.

you just contradicted yourself there. Doing something and then expecting someone else not to do it, that hypocracy

Jews and Christians do believe in killing people that advocate for other religions:



Likewise, there are injunctions to kill 'witches' - and since all other religions are presumably part of Satan's puppet show, anyone that is not Jewish/Christian is involved in witchcraftiness.

What the heck? What's that wood-like smell on your clothes? Oh...

Really? Not even ancient Israel kept that one in their own land. Were the Israelites going all throughout the world putting infidels to death for the sake of God?

I don't think liberalism is a virtue.

In what way do you mean that? There are many definitions of liberalism.

did jesus teach that you should vote based on your faith? unfortunatley america thinks jesus is a republican

There are similarities and differences. Of course, it depends on one's definition of "extremists." I regularly interact with a lot of extremists in a variety of religious categories (Christianity, Islam, Judaism, etc.). Many of the Christian extremists, for instance, don't agree with other Christian extremists.

However, one general similarity between many extremists, as I define that term, in both Christianity and Islam is a belief in creationism.

Actually I think this is quite a meaningless rant - I would think that everybody will agree that any type of extremism is bad. Especially kinds of extremism which lead to other people suffering or dying. And there is no difference in a sense if one extremism is better than the other - it does simply not matter, extremism is extremism.

So far for extremists - your conclusion about "both these cults" then seems to not distinguish any more between extremists and "normal" believers, you conclude that both "cults" share the belief "that human society should be a maniken factory". That's a weird step, because in christianity (I can only speek for christianity as I simply do not know islam good enough to make a definite comment, but from what I know it is commonly seen quite similar) it is certainly not true that it wants manikins without individualistic identity - freedom of thought and freedom of decision is in fact one of the most important basics of christian philosophy. I agree that extremists do deny exactly that, and it is not the only basic of philosophy or morality that extremists deny, but that very fact shows that extremists cannot be understood as examples for their religion.
So my conclusion is that you cannot really say "christian extremists" or "muslim extremists", you only can talk about extremists, because they usually do not have much in common with the religion they claim to "fight" for.

I think it’s dishonest to put Christian fundamentalists in the same boat with Muslim fundamentalists. Muslim fundamentalists are clearly an order of magnitude more dangerous and intolerant than even the most rabid Christian fundamentalists.

For proof read this PM discussion I had with a Muslim fundamentalist on Youtube. This a**hole wrote death threats to an atheist who insulted his religion. I can’t even imagine the words that came out of this guy’s mouth coming from a Christian.

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Me: (in response to death his threats)

The thing that motivates you to spew those vile hateful words is the same thing that motivates acts of genocide. The Islamic religion causes a suspension of empathy in its followers. It blocks your natural sense of compassion towards fellow human beings.

If your own father renounced Islam and died would you be happy to see him in hell? Tell the truth!
You know what? Only Muslims cause me to doubt my atheism. Your beliefs are so vile and twisted it makes me wonder if there really is a devil.

Crazy Muslim:

Anyone who leaves islam after knowing the truth deserves to be in hell. Ask any Muslim and atleast 80% will tell you we love Allah and prophet Muhammad more than our own parents. Do you know why that is? Because Allah loves the muslims more than our own parents love us. And he will give us life in paradise where we will get treated like kings. I know thats not something you as an unbeliever can grasp but maybe in your lifetime if you are lucky Imam mahdi and prophet Isa will come and when they do, you will believe, because they will not leave until every nation in the world submits to islam. Those who oppose/make war Imam Mahdi and the prophet will be killed. But in the end, it will be a peaceful world, all the muslims united and no more kuffars making trouble. I dont know why you even take the chance of going to hell by being an atheist. I am not trying to be rude but just being honest here. I really dont understand how anyone can be atheist

Me:

I will try to be respectful here. So people deserve to be tortured for eternity for disbelieving your religion?

Let me tell you something. Disbelief isn't even a choice for me. Only evidence can convince me to believe something. Until I have evidence, disbelief is the default position. Islam has no evidence, only circular logic. You can't assume the Quran is true just because it is written in the Quran that the Quran is true.

Also, I'm not taking any more of a risk in being atheist than you are in being Muslim. If Christianity is true than you will go to hell for not being Christian. You're taking as much of a risk as I am.

Crazy Muslim:

sorry but jews and christians corrupted their books thats why theres so many oontradictions, islam is the only true religion with no contradictions and the final revelation, and yes hell is eternal because heaven is also eternal and if you reject allah you are being punished because he also is eternal. being an atheist is just "chance", if you are not an atheist, you dont risk anything, but if you are then you risk eternal damnation, does that make sense to you??? disbelievers are really a small matter to me, i dont care about them until they start to bash muhammad and make bash islam week. we are not like the weak christians, if you insult the holy prophets around us, we will take care of you. but if you repent then allah is merciful and so are we

Me:

"disbelievers are really a small matter to me, i dont care about them until they start to bash muhammad and make bash islam week. we are not like the weak christians, if you insult the holy prophets around us, we will take care of you. but if you repent then allah is merciful and so are we"

There is a problem with that attitude. The things atheists say are only words. We do not threaten to kill Muslims if they insult us. If someone insults me I will insult them back. I will not threaten to physically harm them. If Muslims decide to physically harm non-Muslims because of mere words then the non-Muslims will be forced to retaliate. You have no right to live in a secular society if you do not respect the freedom of others to criticize your beliefs. We will "take care of you" by deporting your ass.

The only reason your silly religion survives in the modern world is because you threaten people who criticize your beliefs. Islam derives its power from threats. If Islam was "the true religion" it would stand on its own merits. Instead it needs to threaten the nonbelievers who dare to criticize it. Sorry, but this is the truth.

It's the same type of rhetoric extreme Christians like Phelps use. The only reason it's not as violent among christians yet is because most of the christian nations have a wordly reputation to protect, and hince have various political checks and balances to work through before they are as free to commit such acts as extreme muslims. In other words, it's a matter of environmental economics, not which faith.

I don't even classify Fred Phelps as a fundamentalist. I’d call him a “shock jock” Christian cult leader. No Christian fundamentalists even take Fred Phelps seriously. Christian fundamentalists are people like Pat Robertson or James Dobson.

As a whole, Christian fundamentalists do not threaten to kill people for blasphemy. Maybe they did in the 17th century, but in this age it’s only Muslims who conform to that “old school” mentality. Maybe if hard core Christianity became as dominant as it was in the 17th century they would be just as bad as the Muslims, but I don’t see it that way now. Right now Islam the bigger threat.

Timothy McVeigh and Terry Nichols were both influenced by right-wing fundamentalist groups when they collaborated in bombing the federal building in Oklahoma City.

The main difference, IMO, is that extreme fundamentalist Christians generally live within stable, democratic Western republics which have benefited from the Enlightenment. (The countries in which Christian fundamentalism is most common are the U.S. and Australia.) On the other hand, fundamentalist Muslims generally come from theocratic or authoritarian societies.

There was a movie or something (maybe just a joke) where heaven was segregated into various religious orders and they couldn't see eachother - the jewish people were making the most noise.

there was a really quiet area and God said to the guy, shhh... don't let them hear you, that's where we put the atheists.