21 Jan 2008, 5:10 pm
Maybe some demand an arduous, misery inducing process. But ultimately, I think it is the results that count. No one cares how much an athlete suffers while training - as long as they perform on the field. I have heard of some people overtraining based on the no-pain-no-gain/more-is-better theories, which only makes them weaker. And if there are measures of success to compare outcomes, then results will be most important.
22 Jan 2008, 10:13 pm
I haven't read all of it yet, just the prologue and bits of other chapters here and there, because i find it so depressing, quite crushingly so. When i was sounding off/analysing on here it seemed like exciting protest and revolutionary deconstruction; when i read even more radical versions of my ideas with 7 years of research behind it, and history refs etc, written by someone with years of experience teaching in schools who earns money speaking to industry and educational institutions and parents about it, and is taken very seriously, i realise that it's true, and that it's tragic. So i can hardly bear to read more than two pages at a time.
Maybe these ideas are getting airtime now, even earning money for some, because industry has realised it needs to change the system; it needs,....how DO they put it now?....! !.. people who can use their judgement, work independently, take the initiative, brainstorm new solutions etc. A lot of the jobs for braindead are being done by computers and robots now.
On the other hand they're still going to want willing, obedient, compulsive, consumers. How will they combine the conditioning for one with the other? ! !
I have read debates on the "power of autonomy" in business as well. But in order to "secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity", there must be individual thought.
25 Jan 2008, 11:27 am
Also, if you are interested in the marketing consumer thing, try reading anything from Lars Perner, who happens to be an Aspie. He helped design cross-fund raising aqnd it is really neat. 
02 Feb 2008, 12:17 am
Sorry, but I don't want this thread left for dead!
The ideal scholar is uber-organised adn overworks on every possible level despite being dead inside. This prevents renaissance from occurring and therefore revolt. It takes someone who compartmentalizes her talents and intellect to "move up" grabbing coffee for the hierarchies. I recommend watching V for Vendetta as it is quite relevant to how they put their ideals in a closet for the "common good".
FREEDOM! FOREVER!
14 Mar 2008, 11:22 am
One of the worst effects of school is teaching people not to think for themselves.
A recent homework for the correspondence course my son follows, ( min requirement, no more, to avoid inspections at home by the "academy"), involved labelling a time line with the date that "Christianity became the official religion of the roman empire" ( amongst other dates). We almost never use the provided materials, because they are so dull, so we looked it up, and double checked it, on the internet. The date is 391 AD, under Emperor Theodosius. So that is what my son wrote neatly on the timeline.
Then because of some other question which required us to refer to the guide i found myself reading the material on the time line. The date they gave was 320 AD, when "Constantine converted to christianity".
We sent off our version, and waited with i must confess bated breath to see how it would be marked.
Lo and behold, it was deleted, replaced with 320, and my son lost a mark.
In the same homework was a maths question in which were asked to add brackets to produce the right result. There were three "sums". Of the three only one needed brackets to add up correctly. The one with multiplication in. The other two were pure adding and subtracting.
The markings came back, with brackets on another sum, where it made absolutely no difference at all. As my son's technically trained father , and my own decent maths, were easily able to verify. but my son was again marked down.
So not only must repeat back to them what they say/teach, with no questions asked, but also make things more complicated than necessary. 
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14 Mar 2008, 11:44 am
14 Mar 2008, 11:50 am
That is what school is like. As you say, LEARN to regurgitate and you get good marks. Think for yourself and you will be penalised. Children learn this from the start. It becomes a mental habit, to accept what you are told, not to question the teacher/designated authority, ever.
16 Mar 2008, 8:16 pm
That is what school is like. As you say, LEARN to regurgitate and you get good marks. Think for yourself and you will be penalised. Children learn this from the start. It becomes a mental habit, to accept what you are told, not to question the teacher/designated authority, ever.
I might be valedictorian (of 17 seniors lol) but I haven't learned a darn thing compared to the C students, whether they are selling stuff or writing computer codes, etc. I have plenty of ideas, but school seems to be the last place I could flesh them out. School, if anything, needs to be the first place!! !! I also got in trouble for speaking my opinion, they call it "insubordination" though.
Also, there is a ten-page summary, trailer of the underground history on this site:
http://johntaylorgatto.com/historytour/history1.htm
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